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Old 12-18-2018, 10:18 AM   #41
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What does that have to do with this?
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Old 12-18-2018, 11:38 AM   #42
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What does that have to do with this?
I dunno. Maybe something to door with the trap-door on the floor, the hinges, and the trim around it?
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I only have one question after reading your reply. In the event that the trim isnít already installed, after itís been sprayed, then installed, you patch and caulk.



Do you have any issues covering up the caulking on the trim? Since youíve already sprayed trim prior to installation.



The wall hasnít been sprayed at this point so no issue there. Whatís the solution for this?

To answer your question:
The wall should already be sprayed out prior to trim install.



If the wall hasn't be sprayed yet, then you would have to mask off the baseboard...which again defeats the purpose. That's why I hate dealing with contractors that put it on then want it painted, I have to end up doing more work and therefore it ends up costing them more money.



Why? Because I can't get any wall paint onto my painted trim, therefore I have to mask it. And I would mask it anyway even if I rolled it because rollers throw sprinkles and why risk all that nonsense.





There is no issue with caulking whatsoever. First off, you shouldn't even be painting your caulking where the trim and wall connection is located.

Yeah, you read that right. You shouldn't be painting the caulking between the trim and wallboard is located.



If you have multiple colors, then fine, go ahead and paint. But most homes will have a body color with a few accents thrown in here and there, which isn't a big deal. For an accent wall, just throw your frog tape or blue/caulk swipe and peel, done.



When you do n.c. work or a large res-repaint work, it's all about speed and eliminating cycling which is doing steps over and over again as much as possible. Because anyone worth their salt isn't going to pay your crew to do the work over and over again because of a company's inefficiencies.
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What does that have to do with this?
Nothing. Don't garage floors come with new houses?

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A lot of good ideas here. In a few new builds we sprayed ceilings first and then trim. I to was slightly worried about the overspray so I just used a shield to limit the amount of paint hitting the wall. Came back and did basic masking on trim that could potentially get splatter on it. Cut and rolled walls. This is a very comfortable system that works for me and our crew. I'm not sure there is a right or wrong way
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The waste of time some of you people incur by spending hours and hours taping plastic and taping trim off is completely absurd.

The best bet when painting a new construction job is to coordinate with the builder and get in directly after the drywall is completed. Spray and back roll your ceilings, drop down and brush and roll a primer coat on your walls. At that point it's time to turn it over to the finish carpenter. After he's done, you come in and putty/caulk/sand the trim, and then you spray your trim. Only then do you continue on and brush and roll your two finish coats on your walls. The very last thing to do is cut your baseboards in and it's a wrap.

I can not believe people on here don't utilize this method?? It's definitely the more efficient method with less waste.
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The waste of time some of you people incur by spending hours and hours taping plastic and taping trim off is completely absurd.

The best bet when painting a new construction job is to coordinate with the builder and get in directly after the drywall is completed. Spray and back roll your ceilings, drop down and brush and roll a primer coat on your walls. At that point it's time to turn it over to the finish carpenter. After he's done, you come in and putty/caulk/sand the trim, and then you spray your trim. Only then do you continue on and brush and roll your two finish coats on your walls. The very last thing to do is cut your baseboards in and it's a wrap.

I can not believe people on here don't utilize this method?? It's definitely the more efficient method with less waste.
I'm with ya. People have gotten so trigger happy. The amount of waste created to maybe save a little time yet blow extra cash on plastic is pretty gross. Never had a a problem making money that way.
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The waste of time some of you people incur by spending hours and hours taping plastic and taping trim off is completely absurd.

The best bet when painting a new construction job is to coordinate with the builder and get in directly after the drywall is completed. Spray and back roll your ceilings, drop down and brush and roll a primer coat on your walls. At that point it's time to turn it over to the finish carpenter. After he's done, you come in and putty/caulk/sand the trim, and then you spray your trim. Only then do you continue on and brush and roll your two finish coats on your walls. The very last thing to do is cut your baseboards in and it's a wrap.

I can not believe people on here don't utilize this method?? It's definitely the more efficient method with less waste.
That's pretty much how I do it. Only two things differently, I don't brush and roll the primer on the walls. I spray the primer on both then spray the ceilings keeping it off the walls as much as I can but whatever. Also I don't go in until after the trim is up so I'll spray the trim at the same go around. Then I'll put one coat of finish on the walls. Once then house is completely done I go back and do the second coat of finish.

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If youre not concerned about quality, you can save time by spraying the walls, then bagging them off and spraying the ceiling afterwards. I almost never do this, because I just think its a lesser quality paint job that way, but I have done it, and I know for a fact it saves time. People wouldnt do it if werent faster.

Cutting and rolling the wall primer instead of spraying it when you do the lids makes no sense to me whatsoever.
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If youre not concerned about quality, you can save time by spraying the walls, then bagging them off and spraying the ceiling afterwards. I almost never do this, because I just think its a lesser quality paint job that way, but I have done it, and I know for a fact it saves time. People wouldnt do it if werent faster.

Cutting and rolling the wall primer instead of spraying it when you do the lids makes no sense to me whatsoever.
I am confused, if you do the proper prep, apply primer and two finish coats with a back roll how is spraying walls and masking them and then doing the lids a less quality job then if you do the lids first and then roll the walls?
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I am confused, if you do the proper prep, apply primer and two finish coats with a back roll how is spraying walls and masking them and then doing the lids a less quality job then if you do the lids first and then roll the walls?
Im just not crazy about how the lines turn out. Personally, I dont like the sharp edge taped line look, unless its only done with one coat and pulled right away. Not to mention, all the masking would need to be done perfectly, and more importantly, STAY that way during the process, and I've never had good luck with that. That, and theres just certain little things that grab my attention, like how small crevices next to jambs dont get backrolled or brushed, and theres about an inch the trim that hasnt been brushed or rolled, and a couple inches on the lid, and I can tell. Im not saying it looks bad, I just think it looks better to have a brush in the corners and lines.

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I am confused, if you do the proper prep, apply primer and two finish coats with a back roll how is spraying walls and masking them and then doing the lids a less quality job then if you do the lids first and then roll the walls?
I cant figure that out either....does cutting in twice with a brush vs. Once with tape make a higher quality product? And does that include spraying aura? Regal? is it a higher quality job if I roll on promar 200? Totally confused!!

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I cant figure that out either....does cutting in twice with a brush vs. Once with tape make a higher quality product? And does that include spraying aura? Regal? is it a higher quality job if I roll on promar 200? Totally confused!!

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I think he's talking about how it looks.. I'm not into tons of New Construction, mostly renos. What I don't get, is when the floors go in for you spray crazy guys? Normally I would spray primer, then everything else after trims are up (minus baseboards). Cut and roll first coat on walls and leave.
I then don't come back until kitchens, bathrooms, floors and baseboards are installed to do my final coat on walls and baseboards last.
If I tried to put final coat on walls before hand, for sure they would be dinged up. Atleast that's how I've always done it.

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I will first coat the walls if I need something to do, but I've found that a lot of times, I have to do two more coats later on, so its hit or miss with me.

Why dont you do baseboards when you do the rest of the trim?
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I cant figure that out either....does cutting in twice with a brush vs. Once with tape make a higher quality product? And does that include spraying aura? Regal? is it a higher quality job if I roll on promar 200? Totally confused!!

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I explained my reasoning in the post right above yours...
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I think he's talking about how it looks.. I'm not into tons of New Construction, mostly renos. What I don't get, is when the floors go in for you spray crazy guys? Normally I would spray primer, then everything else after trims are up (minus baseboards). Cut and roll first coat on walls and leave.
I then don't come back until kitchens, bathrooms, floors and baseboards are installed to do my final coat on walls and baseboards last.
If I tried to put final coat on walls before hand, for sure they would be dinged up. Atleast that's how I've always done it.

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Yes. They get beat to crap! That's called "trade damage". It gets billed at t&m+20% to fix on a change order. Let em beat on it! Especially when on a remodel they start moving boxes and fixtures...lol cha ching! Cha ching!

I do agree though. Drop a color coat and leave is the most efficient way for us. The other way is more profitable though...you just cant get emotionally attached to the brush. Paint is sacrificial and I love carpenters. They drill it, I fill it.

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I will first coat the walls if I need something to do, but I've found that a lot of times, I have to do two more coats later on, so its hit or miss with me.

Why dont you do baseboards when you do the rest of the trim?
I definitely don't want to be doing 2 coats over freshly Installed hardwood. Or around mechanical areas. Normally baseboards are installed after the hardwood. Not like the good old days of carpet, where they would just tuck it under the baseboards. Atleast that's what they do around here..

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Around here, hardwood goes down before paint. The contractor puts ramboard down, but I go around and tape and paper next to the base, cuz they sure as hell wont/cant tape it right. Then I spray my base with the rest of the trim. No problems.
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Most of the new construction I do are custom homes. Not multi unit tract housing or Condos. Final coat on the walls are always bush and rolled after floors and kitchens etc. go in. So double coating/ spraying walls are not an option. I still spray primer, door jams, doors and crown mouldings.
So you bag off all the walls just to spray the ceilings?
It never ceases to amaze me how people can find quicker ways of doing things at any expense.
I still think it such a waste of garbage when in all my years of painting, cutting and rolling walls last was never an issue. Not to mention, people that are good at can fly through rooms pretty effortlessly.
Less stressful too. Not worried about bleadthrough or pulling fresh paint off with tape.
But like I said, I'm not into multi unit high production crap. People will always find a "faster" way to do things...

All this arrogance about spraying everything, every time. I see guys spraying with no respirator, their faces covered in paint from blow back, etc. Yeah, you may go a bit faster and make a bit more money, but I'd hate to do that to my lungs, a thick paint fog in the air. Then you back roll the sprayed wall anyways! All that health damage to save a small bit of time. Of course, I see bosses who couldn't care less they are ruining the health of their employees to make money for themselves. I'll stick to my rolling of walls, thanks. And that's all new construction you're talking about. New construction doesn't pay much anyways. No wonder you have to make up for it by going as fast as you can!
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The waste of time some of you people incur by spending hours and hours taping plastic and taping trim off is completely absurd.

The best bet when painting a new construction job is to coordinate with the builder and get in directly after the drywall is completed. Spray and back roll your ceilings, drop down and brush and roll a primer coat on your walls. At that point it's time to turn it over to the finish carpenter. After he's done, you come in and putty/caulk/sand the trim, and then you spray your trim. Only then do you continue on and brush and roll your two finish coats on your walls. The very last thing to do is cut your baseboards in and it's a wrap.

I can not believe people on here don't utilize this method?? It's definitely the more efficient method with less waste.
I kind of think it's a guy thing to be into all this spraying, and the use of the spray "gun". And I see so many guys without respirators risking their health and their lungs. All fun and games and money now, until you get COPD, asthma, or brain damage in the future. And new construction is not where you make real money. So naturally you have to work twice as fast to make up for it.....
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