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Old 11-16-2017, 05:53 PM   #1
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I'm currently spraying some cabinet doors and I keep getting this weird finish after it dries. It goes on like glass and dries like this. Any advice? Using a graco finefinish hvlp and spraying advance
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Oak cabinets?
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Yes they are oak. I expected to see the grain but that weird stipple if baffling me
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They need to be primed with oil.
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I would suspect it’s because you are using an HVLP to try and spray a fairly heavy product.
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What would be the better sprayer then? Air assist?
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Looks like it's just going on too heavy.

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Whenever I spray oak, I first coat with BIN, and backbrush or roll it to push it into the grain. Sand, then use undercoater over it. Comes out a lot smoother, and the grains have paint in them.

I dont see any stipple, I just see wood grain that doesnt have paint in it.
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Looks like it's just going on too heavy.

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I adjusted the volume control down a bit and that seemed to help lay down better. Why does it look so smooth going on but dry like that?
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Whenever I spray oak, I first coat with BIN, and backbrush or roll it to push it into the grain. Sand, then use undercoater over it. Comes out a lot smoother, and the grains have paint in them.

I dont see any stipple, I just see wood grain that doesnt have paint in it.
I will have to try that. This is my second set of oak cabinets that I've done and I'm still learning. The stipple I was referring to is towards the bottom of the picture in the shadow.
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What was your priming process, and what materials are you using?
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Waaaaay to much mils per coat.
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I've never shot advance but I hear there's quite a learning curve...
Id try thinning it down a bit more and build really thin coats if you're gonna try shooting it with an hvlp.
Personally, I'd just shoot it with an airless and a 3 or 410. I've had a heck of a time getting my hvlp to shoot a waterborne without some issue.
I sure feel your frustration! I couldn't tell ya why it looks great going on then dries crummy but I've had that happen with a couple other products. Some of these newer high performance wb's are a pita. Never had so many stupid problems with oil....

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I:f they want perfectly smooth cabinets tell them to buy new maple cabinets in a color of their choice. Oak is always going to show some grain no matter what you do!

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The stipple in the picture is also referred to as orange peel. It's typically a sign of applying too much paint.

Advance is one of the most difficult products to achieve a factory like finish. It all comes down to your prep. Any imperfections are telegraphed right through the finish.


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I:f they want perfectly smooth cabinets tell them to buy new maple cabinets in a color of their choice. Oak is always going to show some grain no matter what you do!
If you use grain filler before the prime the grain will not show in the finished product...
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If you use grain filler before the prime the grain will not show in the finished product...
If you look at it closely you'll see grain. I've never seen oak that was filled or not, grain free. Show me some picks.
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I:f they want perfectly smooth cabinets tell them to buy new maple cabinets in a color of their choice. Oak is always going to show some grain no matter what you do!
I agree with Brushman’s statement.

Brushing in the primer coat gets it into the grain. Doesn’t hide it but eliminaties the dark spots showing through.

I know some here go to great lengths to try and get oak “totally grain free” but even then you will usually see a waviness in the panels indicitive of real wood. I simply inform customers that with oak the grain will still be visible and they just need to realize that’s part of having it.
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Regarding the pic in the OP. Look like its sprayed to heavily and as it cured it tightened down and accentuated the grain. Also some orange peel from to heavy coat. I would sand the advance smooth prime with BIN 2 coats sand to 320 and shoot 2 coats of Advanced thinned properly. Might practice your procedure on the back of one door till you dial it in.
Since you are using hvlp try a topcoat that is more suitable. Generalfinishes Enduro pigmented white poly. Easy learning curve, dries fast and hard, dry and wet sands nicely. It is waterbased and can be shot straight. I use two coats vertical hang front and back. Wet block sand fronts and horizontal shoot third coat to front only. Float it out a little and let in dry flat. Pretty, feels good and smooth as a baby's butt. Better be a 3-4K job for that kind of work.
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Regarding the pic in the OP. Look like its sprayed to heavily and as it cured it tightened down and accentuated the grain. Also some orange peel from to heavy coat. I would sand the advance smooth prime with BIN 2 coats sand to 320 and shoot 2 coats of Advanced thinned properly. Might practice your procedure on the back of one door till you dial it in.
Since you are using hvlp try a topcoat that is more suitable. Generalfinishes Enduro pigmented white poly. Easy learning curve, dries fast and hard, dry and wet sands nicely. It is waterbased and can be shot straight. I use two coats vertical hang front and back. Wet block sand fronts and horizontal shoot third coat to front only. Float it out a little and let in dry flat. Pretty, feels good and smooth as a baby's butt. Better be a 3-4K job for that kind of work.
Do you shoot the Enduro through an HVLP?
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