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Old 09-10-2019, 09:08 AM   #1
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I am breaking in my painting business and do mostly interior. A client wants me to paint these old shutters, they have already been stripped and sanded. I plan to use an airless sprayer.

Whats the best prime/paint for this? I've used BIN on interior stuff, can that hold up outside? I've used SW Resilience before, but never sprayed it. Can anyone recommend a good combo of paints that easy to spray?
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I am breaking in my painting business and do mostly interior. A client wants me to paint these old shutters, they have already been stripped and sanded. I plan to use an airless sprayer.

Whats the best prime/paint for this? I've used BIN on interior stuff, can that hold up outside? I've used SW Resilience before, but never sprayed it. Can anyone recommend a good combo of paints that easy to spray?
You say they have been stripped already? What chemical ws used to strip them and has it all been thoroughly rinsed off, with lacquer thinner for example?

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make sure theyre risned clean, sand 120 grit, seal them up with dalys benite, prime with BM094 or 046, top coat regal exterior mooreguard/mooreglo or aura ext.
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I would remove the hinges as well..
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You say they have been stripped already? What chemical ws used to strip them and has it all been thoroughly rinsed off, with lacquer thinner for example?
They used "Citristrip" to strip it down, probably not rinsed. Guessing that isn't the best product to use on these?

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I would remove the hinges as well..
They are rusted on pretty good. Gonna try to tape them up I think.
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They used "Citristrip" to strip it down, probably not rinsed. Guessing that isn't the best product to use on these?



They are rusted on pretty good. Gonna try to tape them up I think.
pp, here is a link to Citristrip and how to use it:

http://www.citristrip.com/product/pa...ng-gel-non-nmp

You might call the company and ask them what to wipe these down with to make sure they are properly rinsed.

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With Citrustrip you neutralize it with mineral spirits and a scotchbrite pad. If residue remains it will most likely bubble any paint applied.
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If there are only four of them why set up a sprayer? You need to prime them and back brush it into the grain anyway so why spray them. Resilience sprays like any other paint, right tip, right pressure no problem. I have been using it for years. Sprayed 15 gallons of flat on stucco today.
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If it was me and since they are already down for you,
I'd use a long oil primer on them via a brush or roller and back brush and let it dry thoroughly (could be several days pending environment).

I like the slow dry oil for solid wood items like this still where time is available.

Then sand making sure to avoid burning through and then topcoat twice with any decent exterior acrylic.

Obviously make sure you prime and paint all sides.
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I am breaking in my painting business and do mostly interior. A client wants me to paint these old shutters, they have already been stripped and sanded. I plan to use an airless sprayer.

Whats the best prime/paint for this? I've used BIN on interior stuff, can that hold up outside? I've used SW Resilience before, but never sprayed it. Can anyone recommend a good combo of paints that easy to spray?
-If you don't have time to wait for a long oil-primer, you can use a fast oil primer like Coverstain (sand lightly before top coating).

-Topcoat with Emerald Urethane-fortified Semi-Gloss.
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If it was me and since they are already down for you,
I'd use a long oil primer on them via a brush or roller and back brush and let it dry thoroughly (could be several days pending environment).

I like the slow dry oil for solid wood items like this still where time is available.

Then sand making sure to avoid burning through and then topcoat twice with any decent exterior acrylic.

Obviously make sure you prime and paint all sides.

IMO products like benite do a better job of sealing/conditioning old wood like this.
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-If you don't have time to wait for a long oil-primer, you can use a fast oil primer like Coverstain (sand lightly before top coating).

-Topcoat with Emerald Urethane-fortified Semi-Gloss.

coverstain for exterior? Maybe in a pinch but certainly better options available.



I know SW advertises emerald urethane for exterior use but its not exactly a good product to use on exterior wood.
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coverstain for exterior? Maybe in a pinch but certainly better options available.



I know SW advertises emerald urethane for exterior use but its not exactly a good product to use on exterior wood.
Coverstain is the best option available around here.

I use Emerald on doors all the time. What's wrong with it?
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Coverstain is the best option available around here.

I use Emerald on doors all the time. What's wrong with it?

Hard inflexible coating on exterior wood?
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Hard inflexible coating on exterior wood?
I do not believe that is correct.
What is your source for saying that Emerald is "inflexible"?
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I do not believe that is correct.
What is your source for saying that Emerald is "inflexible"?

Its a urethane/alkyd cabinet grade enamel ie its a hard, tight, partially crosslinked film.
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I do not believe that is correct.
What is your source for saying that Emerald is "inflexible"?

Its a urethane/alkyd cabinet grade enamel ie its a hard, tight, partially crosslinked film.
Emerald is an Acrylic/urethane; It remains flexible.

I would appreciate if you didn’t pan my suggestions without credible sources.
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Emerald is an Acrylic/urethane; It remains flexible.

I would appreciate if you didn’t pan my suggestions without credible sources.

Cabinetcoat and ultraplate are urethane/acrylic. emerald is alkyd/urethane. check the datasheet.


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It delivers the look, feel and durability of an oil based enamel with the convenience of a waterbased formula


Cabinet enamels aren't typically spec'd exterior for a reason also I wouldn't typically spec a oil based enamel on exterior wood so....

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PDS states Emerald is suitable for Interior and Exterior use:

“Wood, Plywood, Composition Board
Clean the surface thoroughly then sand any exposed wood to a fresh surface. Patch all holes and imperfections with a wood filler or putty and sand smooth. All patched areas must be primed. Knots and some woods, such as redwood and cedar, contain a high amount of tannin, a colored wood extract. If applied to these bare woods, it may show some staining. Exterior: If staining persists, spot prime severe areas with 1 coat of Exterior Oil-Based Wood Primer prior to using.“

*soap and water cleanup.

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PDS states Emerald is suitable for Interior and Exterior use:

“Wood, Plywood, Composition Board
Clean the surface thoroughly then sand any exposed wood to a fresh surface. Patch all holes and imperfections with a wood filler or putty and sand smooth. All patched areas must be primed. Knots and some woods, such as redwood and cedar, contain a high amount of tannin, a colored wood extract. If applied to these bare woods, it may show some staining. Exterior: If staining persists, spot prime severe areas with 1 coat of Exterior Oil-Based Wood Primer prior to using.“

*soap and water cleanup.

DTM acrylics also spec exterior wood, some oil enamels spec interior drywall application etc etc. The data sheet can say all it wants, just because it says you can doesn't mean its the best option.


On exterior wood I would almost always spec something more flexible like mooreglo over a DTM acrylic for example.

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