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Old 10-24-2017, 10:15 PM   #21
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I couldn't agree more with lilpaintchic, you definitely need a sprayer for that job and if you price it right that job alone will pay off nice Graco sprayer or close to it. It reminds me when I visited my brother in Vancouver couple of months ago and he was showing me new casing and baseboard he installed ( he is a concrete truck driver by trade btw ) it looked nice but nail holes were kinda big so I asked him what kind of brad nailer he used. He was like what do you mean I used small nails and a hammer lol, I told him to buy a brad nailer which he did and he calls me up week later wondering why I didn't tell him about it sooner. He couldn't believe how much easier and quicker it was using a brad nailer and he didn't need nail punch to set the nails. I know that's kinda off topic but point is the same, you won't believe how much time you'll save with a sprayer and get a much nicer finish on everything you spray. It's not that hard to do and there is plenty of videos on YouTube that will point you in the right direction, get some cardboard and practice in your garage or on a job site to get a feel for it but it truly is easier then it looks. Good luck
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Old 10-24-2017, 10:30 PM   #22
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I'm with lpc on this. Time to learn to spray. I don't want to even think about rolling out bin on that ceiling. So much time loss. I don't know how you guys do it. I never roll ceilings. Unless its a little bathroom.
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Not up here. Not from what I've seen. Maybe used, but I haven't looked into it. I hate buying stuff like that used. Usually it's some guy trying to get rid of something that's already wrecked. Nobody up here doing repaints uses them. Or at least it's rare. Maybe in the larger populated areas, but certainly not around here.

That being said, I like toys. Maybe I'll figure out a way to fit one in some day.
If you look for them when they are on sale you can get a pretty good deal.Earlier this year I bought a new airless Graco 495 newest model with smart control and what not and it included contractors spray gun all for around $ 1,600.00 CAD taxes in. This was at our local SW store and I think that was a great deal.
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At some point, I gotta follow this advice and just go for it. Blow a grand or two and just go for it. I keep thinking about it, but just gotta do it. Just don't do enough new construction to make it worth while and can't do any exteriors around here with it due to the high winds. It's seriously windy here.

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I remember when I first joined painttalk you had one sitting in your garage that was plugged up or something. Think it ended up in the dump.
Not just for new construction. It pays off on interior repaints as well. Sucks that its hard to get one up there at a good price.
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I'm with lpc on this. Time to learn to spray. I don't want to even think about rolling out bin on that ceiling. So much time loss. I don't know how you guys do it. I never roll ceilings. Unless its a little bathroom.


Same here, can't remember last time we've rolled a ceiling.


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Not up here. Not from what I've seen. Maybe used, but I haven't looked into it. I hate buying stuff like that used. Usually it's some guy trying to get rid of something that's already wrecked. Nobody up here doing repaints uses them. Or at least it's rare. Maybe in the larger populated areas, but certainly not around here.

That being said, I like toys. Maybe I'll figure out a way to fit one in some day.
My local Miller Paint sells the 390 for $699. I'll ship it out to anyone if they want ti buy one and shipping.
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Two years ago I painted a friends basement that had similar T&G on the walls. I sprayed it with CoverStain (no prep other than masking) and didn't have any issues with tannin bleed. Unless the poly is very thin or failing I'm doubtful that tannin bleeding would be an issue, I'd be more concerned with adhesion.

Is this project T&M or fixed bid? I couldn't imagine having to fill all those knots.


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Two years ago I painted a friends basement that had similar T&G on the walls. I sprayed it with CoverStain (no prep other than masking) and didn't have any issues with tannin bleed. Unless the poly is very thin or failing I'm doubtful that tannin bleeding would be an issue, I'd be more concerned with adhesion.

Is this project T&M or fixed bid? I couldn't imagine having to fill all those knots.


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She does not want knots filled nor gaps between boards filled. Kind of happy about that...a lot of work, but very tedious work. Also, fixed bid. So, Ibam going to go a bit high.

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So the recommendations are, to spray for sure if you're using BIN, and brush and roll with everything else if that is more comfortable. Have you decided what primer you are going to use?
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So the recommendations are, to spray for sure if you're using BIN, and brush and roll with everything else if that is more comfortable. Have you decided what primer you are going to use?
Just completed the bid, Coverstain on the cielinngs and California Grip Coat on the walls. I want the extra security of a bonding primer in areas that might be banged up...not an issue with the ceilings. I actually realized that Bin really is not an option. This house has no insulation. Therefore I had visions of the Bin failing due to the huge temp fluctuations. I am also using Aura as a top coat. I have found in the past that Regal Select in whites does not hide the dark wood underneath well, and I really do not want to deal with having to put a third finish coat on.

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Let us know how that turns out with the primer and if the knots bleed through. From my experience nothing will stop knots these days and will probably start bleeding within 1 year. I have tried multiple brands of primer. Oil, shellac, and acrylic and all have failed mostly overnight with knots. With all the industry is taking out of primers and paints they don't have the stain blocking of past years. I have used a coat of coverstain, come back the next day and spotted all the yellow rings and put a spot coat of bin on them. They will still bleed through sooner than later. It's a shame that painters can't rely on a product to deliver them perfect results with such a common issue as knot bleed. Especially when it wasn't a problem years ago. Thanks to all the tree huggers and "do gooders" this is what we're left with...


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Let us know how that turns out with the primer and if the knots bleed through. From my experience nothing will stop knots these days and will probably start bleeding within 1 year. I have tried multiple brands of primer. Oil, shellac, and acrylic and all have failed mostly overnight with knots. With all the industry is taking out of primers and paints they don't have the stain blocking of past years. I have used a coat of coverstain, come back the next day and spotted all the yellow rings and put a spot coat of bin on them. They will still bleed through sooner than later. It's a shame that painters can't rely on a product to deliver them perfect results with such a common issue as knot bleed. Especially when it wasn't a problem years ago. Thanks to all the tree huggers and "do gooders" this is what we're left with...


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What do you think it was that had them decline?
Too expensive. This was a big job, and they told me that with two kids in college they just could not afford it at this time.

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Too expensive. This was a big job, and they told me that with two kids in college they just could not afford it at this time.

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That's too bad. They've probabl have missed the best opportunity they're ever going to have.
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If you are going to get yourself a sprayer I will tell you there is no need to spend thousands of dollars on your first. The big rigs cost alot, harder to maintain and must be sent out for repacking. You can get a Titan 400 that can handle anything your going to throw at it for residential work. I work with a 400 plus a Graco magnum Prox9.(That's right I said it!!) Those two little pumps have sprayed a thousand gallons each easy and are still going. Plus I carry spare parts for emergencies and can repair on site. That's my two pennies
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That's too bad. They've probabl have missed the best opportunity they're ever going to have.

Not happy about Pete not getting the job, but I'm happier just leaving the wood the way it looks now. Not that I'll ever see it, but c'est la vie.
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