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HighleyPaintingUTAH · 06-14-2019, 03:54 PM

are there any products to replace lacquer under coater with for raw wood? like mdf that wont raise the grain?

Woodco · 06-14-2019, 06:31 PM

BIN? Nothing waterborne, I know that much. They also make a hybrid primer that might work, but I havent tried it. Sherwin sells it, but I dont know the name of it off hand. I think Kelly Moore has a hybrid primer as well.

I havent tried this yet, but Corotech has something that sounds like Gardz, except its sandable, can be used outside, and can stand alone as a finish interior and exterior. It might raise the grain, but if its sandable, it might be good. Ive been trying to get some to try out, but right now, its all theoretical whether it will work good or not.

cocomonkeynuts · 06-14-2019, 10:48 PM

What are you top coating with?

finishesbykevyn · 06-15-2019, 08:18 AM

MDF doesn't have grain. I always sand after priming regardless. Both BIN and Stix will except a Laquer top coat.

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Woodco · 06-15-2019, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by finishesbykevyn

MDF doesn't have grain. I always sand after priming regardless. Both BIN and Stix will except a Laquer top coat.

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You know what he means. I had a job with MDF doors, where the FIBERS would swell with waterborne, and would reappear after sanding with more coats of waterborne.

Come to think of it, I topcoated with advance, and the fibers kept swelling, so I guess that rules out the hybrid primer theory....

finishesbykevyn · 06-15-2019, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodco

You know what he means. I had a job with MDF doors, where the FIBERS would swell with waterborne, and would reappear after sanding with more coats of waterborne.

Come to think of it, I topcoated with advance, and the fibers kept swelling, so I guess that rules out the hybrid primer theory....

I've primed tons of Mdf with waterborne systems without issue. So I kind of disagree.

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**Wildbill7145** · 06-15-2019, 04:50 PM

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I've primed tons of Mdf with waterborne systems without issue. So I kind of disagree.

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Ditto. Never had a problem.

Woodco · 06-15-2019, 07:09 PM

Well, it sure as hell wasnt my imagination.... I had a five page thread on here about these doors. I had to oil prime them.

canopainting · 07-07-2019, 08:44 PM

If you can still get water reducible alkyd interior exterior primer you might give that a test run, I bought some closeout stock from SW whenI used it int sprayed fine, dried fast as hell and sealed the surface like oil. I sprayed it on milled redwood siding.

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Woodco Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 2,596 Rewards Points: 5,194 Thanks: 20 Thanked 404 Times in 341 Posts My Photos	BIN? Nothing waterborne, I know that much. They also make a hybrid primer that might work, but I havent tried it. Sherwin sells it, but I dont know the name of it off hand. I think Kelly Moore has a hybrid primer as well. I havent tried this yet, but Corotech has something that sounds like Gardz, except its sandable, can be used outside, and can stand alone as a finish interior and exterior. It might raise the grain, but if its sandable, it might be good. Ive been trying to get some to try out, but right now, its all theoretical whether it will work good or not. Last edited by Woodco; 06-14-2019 at 06:36 PM..

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Woodco Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 2,596 Rewards Points: 5,194 Thanks: 20 Thanked 404 Times in 341 Posts My Photos	Well, it sure as hell wasnt my imagination.... I had a five page thread on here about these doors. I had to oil prime them. finishesbykevyn likes this.

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finishesbykevyn Kev D. Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Newfoundland Can. Posts: 1,204 Rewards Points: 259 Thanks: 256 Thanked 179 Times in 152 Posts My Photos	MDF doesn't have grain. I always sand after priming regardless. Both BIN and Stix will except a Laquer top coat. Sent from my SM-T330NU using Tapatalk

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canopainting Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Sacramento CA Posts: 244 Rewards Points: 222 Thanks: 30 Thanked 60 Times in 46 Posts My Photos	If you can still get water reducible alkyd interior exterior primer you might give that a test run, I bought some closeout stock from SW whenI used it int sprayed fine, dried fast as hell and sealed the surface like oil. I sprayed it on milled redwood siding.