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I am doing a stucco job and I am almost positive there is oil on it. Do I have to prine?
There is new stucco in the picture, which has not been primed yet.

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I am doing a stucco job and I am almost positive there is oil on it. Do I have to prine?
There is new stucco in the picture, which has not been primed yet.

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Oil on stucco? I would feel comfortable with mooreguard going over that but I would probably spec a primer anyway.
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Oil on stucco. I've heard it all now.
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Oil on stucco. I've heard it all now.
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I tried to rub some off with both rubbing alcohol and denatured. But, nothing came off the rag at all. So, I have to assume it is oil. The last home owners are the ones that had it done. So, cannot blame the current owners.

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Oil on stucco. I've heard it all now.

I used to use, almost exclusively, an oil base stucco surface conditioner from Hoffman paints. The stuff worked great! You probably never heard of it because it was back in the eighties. You might have been around two years old or something.
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That looks like raw stucco. Painted stucco would not stain like that.
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That looks like raw stucco. Painted stucco would not stain like that.
Maybe that's the "new" stucco he's talking about.
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Maybe that's the "new" stucco he's talking about.

Yep, skipped ahead.
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I've had a few people tell me, "You can't paint stucco." I ask them who told 'em that and, invariably, a stucco guy told them that. I wonder how prevalent painting stucco was, back in the day, before latex paint became popular and stucco guys got so gossipy? I just can't fathom putting oil on stucco but, I'm sure it happened.
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Back in the early 80s we were priming and painting a new cooler addition on the Vienna Sausage plant at Elston & Fullerton, it was a large extension of the plant consisting of double-thick cinder block walls with insulation in between. The job was specced out for Carbit's Oil-Based waterproofing block filler as the prime coat. This was the first and only time I've ever used an oil-based block filler.
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If it were me, I probably wouldnt prime (assuming I would be using a top quality paint), but I would run the situation by the client, and see if they wanted to shell out for a primer, or waive the risk. My train of thought is that even if it is oil, the outside elements have etched the surface, and I paint right over gutters, boxes, etc, that were once powder coated or oil finishes, and they have always held up just fine. Granted, if they are newer boxes or gutters, I will at least scuff, if not prime.

Also, stucco is a pretty rough surface, so theres a lot more for paint to grab on to. Oil outside is a lot different than inside oil on smooth trim.

If I were to do anything, I'd just spray a quick light coat of 123 or something

Oh, if you're planning on using elastomeric, that stuff will stick to anything....

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Oil on stucco. I've heard it all now.

I used to use, almost exclusively, an oil base stucco surface conditioner from Hoffman paints. The stuff worked great! You probably never heard of it because it was back in the eighties. You might have been around two years old or something.
I was working for SW in the late 80's. That's probably why I never heard of it. They didn't sell the good stuff back then and did a pretty good job of insulating their employees from knowing what good stuff other companies had that worked better. Kind of like what they do today.
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Is it a color coat of stucco? That wouldn't come off with lacquer thinner or denatured either. If it is just clean and paint it.
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I would prime, if it were me.
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Is it a color coat of stucco? That wouldn't come off with lacquer thinner or denatured either. If it is just clean and paint it.
Not sure what you mean by color coat...does stucco come in colors? There is not a whole lot of this stuff in New England.

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I would prime, if it were me.
Called by Ben Moore rep and he told me that I would be fine without priming. So, I am going to go with that.

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Not sure what you mean by color coat...does stucco come in colors? There is not a whole lot of this stuff in New England.

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There's a ton of it in the midwest. What I was getting at in my post about stucco guys saying you can't paint stucco, is that they make money re-dashing existing stucco since no builders have built old time stucco houses since Dryvit came along. Stucco guys can *tint* the mix and apply a fresh coat of stucco if someone wants a color change. My house is stucco and several years ago I powerwashed it, primed and painted it and I think it protects it protects it better too. I wasn't about to pay for- or mess around with a re-dash by me.
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I've always seen it called Dryvit. It usually has a different texture. Its a lot like sand and paint mixed half and half and trowelled on. It also has a very porous look up close.

Google dryvit for pictures of the surfaces. It has a different look than paint.
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I've always seen it called Dryvit. It usually has a different texture. Its a lot like sand and paint mixed half and half and trowelled on. It also has a very porous look up close.

Google dryvit for pictures of the surfaces. It has a different look than paint.
Dryvit is the largest brand. Most stucco manufacturers have a version of it. There is such a thing as colored stucco as well. It is much more expensive than the grey stucco, so they just put a thin coat if it on. Not so common now because it had a tendency to start flaking off after a period of time and was a pita to fix.
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Years ago cement stucco would be tinted by adding a color powder, just like concrete, but was limited in color selection. When I lived in AZ. regular stucco that was painted was all there was. Real or synthetic it all needs paint sooner or later.
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