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Old 04-22-2016, 04:41 PM   #21
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I agree with lil--don't see what Gardz or any primer would do at this point. I'm liking the gear/equipment idea as well. I've never used microfiber sleeves on a wall yet, but the short nap ones do a jam up job rolling on satin paint on doors, etc. of course I'm using good, leveling waterbourne paint (BM Advance or Muralo Ultra Flow Satin). I've got 21 doors to do tomorrow with microfiber and/or Red Feather mini roller.





Radio11, the reason for SEALING, not priming, the surface with Gardz is so that the water in the topcoat of paint won't soak into the surface, allowing you to keep as wet an edge as possible without adding water or an extender like floetrol, which could also be done.



A sealer and a primer are not necessarily the same. If you haven't tried 2 coats of Gardz on bare drywall, you must by all means try it out. I don't know if the satin paint Jaxson34 put on will soak up water from any further coats, but that is his decision to find out. I got tired of taking chances with paints that have sheens to them flashing or otherwise not turning out with an even coat (and that includes many flat paints these days), so now, when I am in doubt, I use Gardz.



I had one wall in a high rise condo that ran from the outside window through the bedroom and into the bathroom. The bathroom had a pocket door, so the wall was rather long. At a certain point of the day the sun shown in and you could see every little imperfection, and we used flat paint! After several tries of doing it the GC's way, I told him that I would do it my way. When he left for the day I put 2 coats of Gardz on the wall and the next day 2 coats of flat finish paint. Problem solved. We only had to do this with one wall because that was the only wall to get this kind of light.



Although Gardz does act like a primer, its primary application is as a sealer. It started out as a concrete sealer. Scotch Paints took it and re-engineered it for use on torn drywall, then Zinsser copied it.



When I first used Gardz I thought it was an acrylic floor finish or sealer as it was milky and thin and smelled of banana oil, just like the acrylic stuff. I learned of the importance of sealers when I used to strip and wax (acrylic finish) tile floors. Early on I stripped an old floor, rinsed it and started applying the acrylic finish without any sealer. I must have put 5 coats on it before I realized I was doing something wrong. My janitorial supplier told me to use a sealer first, 2 coats if necessary, on old, porous floors. It worked. The sealer allowed the finish coats to sit on top and not get sucked into the old floor and the floor glistened like it was wet!



I guess by now you can tell that I really, really, really, really, really like Gardz.



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I have used Gardz many times over the years, but only after removing wallpaper (to seal the drywall paper and glue residue). Apparently it has other uses and will certainly keep it in mind when needed. I might even tackle a "higher sheen" wall again someday. I generally shy away due to high chance of disappointment.

SW has a drywall conditioner that looks to be very similar, but it lists nothing on the label about sealing wallpaper adhesive (that always seems to linger post removal and washing). It's much less expensive than Gardz, but know nothing else about it.

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Old 04-25-2016, 09:46 PM   #22
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Thanks everyone who responded. I repainted with flat 2 coats same color to cover the walls. SW provided the paint for me. The home owner is happy so I'm really happy. This wall totaled 7 coats with all walls getting 4. So not so much profit here but I have a happy customer.
I don't know how I feel about super paint honestly I think 200 works better. I might keep using that as my budget paint choice.


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I have used Gardz many times over the years, but only after removing wallpaper (to seal the drywall paper and glue residue). Apparently it has other uses and will certainly keep it in mind when needed. I might even tackle a "higher sheen" wall again someday. I generally shy away due to high chance of disappointment.

SW has a drywall conditioner that looks to be very similar, but it lists nothing on the label about sealing wallpaper adhesive (that always seems to linger post removal and washing). It's much less expensive than Gardz, but know nothing else about it.
I use Gardz to avoid disappointment. I can't say that enough. You might try doing just one wall in a room with Gardz where that wall is the only one that will get unmerciful light from windows. You won't be sorry. Also, you will wish that all walls or ceilings that you cut and roll would go as smoothly as it does over Gardz.

I just checked on the SW drywall conditioner and from its description it sounds like it is very similar to Gardz. How cheap is cheaper? I get Gardz for 22.00 a gallon retail at Menards in Chicago area. My local BM dealer has it now for 25.00 retail.

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I use Gardz to avoid disappointment. I can't say that enough. You might try doing just one wall in a room with Gardz where that wall is the only one that will get unmerciful light from windows. You won't be sorry. Also, you will wish that all walls or ceilings that you cut and roll would go as smoothly as it does over Gardz.



I just checked on the SW drywall conditioner and from its description it sounds like it is very similar to Gardz. How cheap is cheaper? I get Gardz for 22.00 a gallon retail at Menards in Chicago area. My local BM dealer has it now for 25.00 retail.



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My quote on the SW Drywall Conditioner is $18. I haven't bought Guardz in a while, but remember paying $40 plus at my local BM dealer. They are expensive and charge almost retail to small contractors (but that's another story altogether). Unfortunately, I didn't have time that day to chase down what big box store carried it. $25 (or less) is a good deal--I need to do my research before I buy again.

For post-wallpaper, no doubt Guardz is the product of choice, but if I can't locate a source at a decent price, I may give the SW product a shot (for situations similar to above).
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My quote on the SW Drywall Conditioner is $18. I haven't bought Guardz in a while, but remember paying $40 plus at my local BM dealer. They are expensive and charge almost retail to small contractors (but that's another story altogether). Unfortunately, I didn't have time that day to chase down what big box store carried it. $25 (or less) is a good deal--I need to do my research before I buy again.

For post-wallpaper, no doubt Guardz is the product of choice, but if I can't locate a source at a decent price, I may give the SW product a shot (for situations similar to above).
$18 sounds very good! You know what Gardz looks like and smells like, so why not ask to have a Drywall Conditioner opened for your inspection? Zinsser copied Scoth Paint's Draw-Tite when they made Gardz. The SW can't be too far off. Maybe its better than Gardz. I am going to check into this myself at my local SW.

What would be really nice is if either one of them or both would package their product in plastic jugs with about a 2" opening instead of in paint cans. This stuff is thin like acrylic floor sealer, not thick like paint. It is a very sloppy ordeal pouring Gardz out of a paint can, especially if one is just sealing patches with a slim jim.

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