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Old 11-29-2009, 06:09 PM   #1
 
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My boss says it takes to long to remove the food from the ceilings, that it's not a "Newport Mansion" and that I'm wasting his money with my ridiculously out-of control attention to detail.
What do the professionals think?
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Old 11-29-2009, 06:16 PM   #2
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Are you painting a restaurant or a home?
Either way, of course remove it. Does your boss want to be called back to rectify?
Then pay you more money to put it right. Is he some sort of madman

Sounds like you need a better boss.

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uh, unless you want to be king hack, it is good to remove these kinds of things from the surface.

I have a mouse sander, and buzz it off w/ some 120. sounds like you might want to keep an eye out for a more conscientious contractor to work for.
until then, do what you must to get paid
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Yes it matters, when ever you paint over something that is poorly prepped you can have adhesion issues, which can result in the slander of your name and repeat work. Not to mention the look of a hack job.

There are times when the job is not speced for extra labor and you have to compromise but even then most pros will still give it some basic attention since it after all is their name on the line.

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Old 11-29-2009, 08:08 PM   #5
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Sounds like yur hack boss isn't gonna be around much longer with an attitude like that good luck on your future
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It's possible your boss bids jobs as a splash and dash style of contracting. I for one think there is a whole contingency of folks {household incomes of 45k and less} that you could frame your business for with a quick 'n dirty type paint job.

Everyone talks about I am quality this, or I am quality that - but quality is a nonsense idea. I knew a guy that painted the inside of a 4,500 SF McMansion - it took 6 months and it was $200,000. That's a 'quality' finish. I dare say most guys have never done that level of work. So what is quality? Who knows - I guess what is perceived as quality for the 'milieu' you work for.

I do know I use to do apartment repaints, which wasn't anywhere the level of 'quality' that I do now, and were priced much much cheaper - but I made great money - and all parties were happy at the outcome.
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I don't imagine this looking too good painted over.
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well now that I am aware I have no conception of what the term "quality" means....

Quality is a state of mind. The discerning eye detects it's presence. It is apparent in the product as well as in the demeanor. Thoroughness is as much for my satisfaction as it is for the customer's.

Pragmatism is it's counterpart. My best day is an even balance b/t each.
I try to error in favor of quality, because it sharpens my focus. The more deeply I give myself to the work, the faster the day goes, and the more I accomplish properly
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well now that I am aware I have no conception of what the term "quality" means....

Quality is a state of mind. The discerning eye detects it's presence. It is apparent in the product as well as in the demeanor. Thoroughness is as much for my satisfaction as it is for the customer's.

Pragmatism is it's counterpart. My best day is an even balance b/t each.
I try to error in favor of quality, because it sharpens my focus. The more deeply I give myself to the work, the faster the day goes, and the more I accomplish properly
You see you don't get it, yet. People talk about quality like it's this singular point like concept, it's either quality or it isn't - black or white, etc. The thing is, if you go and do 'quality' whole house interior repaints for McMansions for say like 15 g's - and then I come back and tell you, my buddy did an interior repaint for the same model home on the same road for 150 g's - what would you say? Is your job still 'quality' - I've seen guys get this much money, you can't believe what they do for that money.

The thing is there is a whole range of this 'quality' concept, I could say a Honda is a quality car for blah blah blah reasons. But does it's quality match the quality of a Bentley? Of course not. Quality has to be seen as a variable much more than a constant. If we're both in the same playing field doing apartment repaints and you average $900 for 1-bedroom apartment, and I am doing slighty better work and averaging $1,200 - I am doing a higher quality job than you are. But is it the same type of quality needed to compete in the 'burbs' with all these McMansion homeowners? Probably not.

To say you do 'quality' work and then point fingers at guys working in a certain 'milieu' like apartment repaints for landlords, and say they don't do 'quality'. Well their quality is perhaps not the quality needed to work on the homes you do - but it's what is considered normal for the work at their end of the payscale.

Heck - when I did apartment repaints, my price was like half of my jobs now, but the way we went through those places - I ended up making better money with less fussing than I do now working in the suburbs. I often think back how nice that was.
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My boss says it takes to long to remove the food from the ceilings, that it's not a "Newport Mansion" and that I'm wasting his money with my ridiculously out-of control attention to detail.
What do the professionals think?
If your boss says paint over it, then paint over it. This is one of the reasons why people change jobs or start their own business.
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You could try to change his mind set, but that will likely not happen. It doesn't sound like you've made a good fit with your employer.
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well now that I am aware I have no conception of what the term "quality" means....
In marketing jargon:

Quality = The customerís perception of the degree at which the product/service can consistently meet or exceed customersí expectations.

-From a marketing textbook.

It's all about perceptions from the customer's point of view. You can have an "inferior" product when a pro looks at it, but if the customer's expectations are exceeded, you've got yourself a quality product.
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I don't imagine this looking too good painted over.

POW!!!!

Oh [email protected] I laughed my buttocks off!!!!





I left everything on the walls and ceilings when I did a grubby apartment respray job...

boogers, food, body fluids, etc.

apartments.
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Leave the bodyfluids to the qualified biohazard companies lol
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Leave the bodyfluids to the qualified biohazard companies lol
ugh, "suicide units"...oh sure they spray everything down, but the dark brown color of blood spraying from arteries remains all over the walls.

Also try not to think about your 50 ft. of hose dragging over the "stained" carpet...



No, they did not pull the carpet, they merely spray it down in apartments and remove it after the painting is finished.
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ugh, "suicide units"...oh sure they spray everything down, but the dark brown color of blood spraying from arteries remains all over the walls.

Also try not to think about your 50 ft. of hose dragging over the "stained" carpet...



No, they did not pull the carpet, they merely spray it down in apartments and remove it after the painting is finished.
AK!

I hope you got paid triple for that.
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If your boss says paint over it, then paint over it. This is one of the reasons why people change jobs or start their own business.
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You could try to change his mind set, but that will likely not happen. It doesn't sound like you've made a good fit with your employer.
waht CA said.

This is the second time you've raised issues about what the boss tells you to do.

As wrong as we all know he is, it IS his business and HIS reputation. When you're the boss, you will understand.



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i guess I don't get it, but my perspective is working for me.

if i don't feel that I strive for and achieve quality, then my work isnt worth much to me personally
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i guess I don't get it, but my perspective is working for me.

if i don't feel that I strive for and achieve quality, then my work isnt worth much to me personally

Do yourself a favor and find a different( better) employer
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hate to admit but when painting apartments we painted over all kinds of muck, used kilz over it.. (something I would never ever ever in a million years do elsewhere). I say do what your boss wants, after all it is his future headache.
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