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Old 11-19-2013, 02:31 PM   #1
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Today's aborted job featured newly stained and maybe polyed baseboards with some over brushing onto the walls - this in it self is not bad, it's good to have trim color a little on the walls when trimming paper.

Whatever the product was, either straight stain, stain mixed w/ poly, or poly over stain, when I got to the site, it was still tacky. REAL tacky. The shortest it had to dry would have been 14 hours (4 PM - 8 AM) and the longest, 24 hours. I put my hair drier on it for ten minutes and no improvement.

When discussing my lack of enthusiasm about just hanging over it, the HO understood my concern and asked if there is anyone I could ask if they have ever done such.

I was taught to wait until paint, stain, or whatever is dry before applying my prep coat (100% acrylic) and then hanging.

Has anyone ever applied a waterborne product, or even wallpaper over a solvent base product that was not dry ? Is this something we all learned just out of being cautious? Or is this based on experience and fact of failure?



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I'm not at all over cautious anymore cause my whole working life is one big being rushed. what I've learned is 'tacky' is good enuff to topcoat in about every scenario.
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I'm not at all over cautious anymore cause my whole working life is one big being rushed. what I've learned is 'tacky' is good enuff to topcoat in about every scenario.
even a waterborne over an oil ??

Any experience with something like wallpaper paste over tacky oil ?

OH and this is high end custom printed paper.

One thing about paper, if it F's up, you just can't "touch it up"



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even a waterborne over an oil ??

Any experience with something like wallpaper paste over tacky oil ?

OH and this is high end custom printed paper.

One thing about paper, if it F's up, you just can't "touch it up"
That alone would be enough to make me wait. I have to wonder if the painter messed up and applied a topcoat too soon or incompatible with the stain.

I have done water-borne over tacky oil...when I was experimenting with crackle finishes.
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even a waterborne over an oil ?? Any experience with something like wallpaper paste over tacky oil ? OH and this is high end custom printed paper. One thing about paper, if it F's up, you just can't "touch it up"
For sure when we were still spraying oil on door frames we would go right over the tacky oil overspray on the drywall with the latex wall paint

I've been on quite a few hotels working with paper hangers and while I don't remember ur exact scenario I'll tell u this that when that operation is running it doesn't stop for anything, For sure the walls next to door frames that were oversprayed or over brushed and still tacky get vinyl hung on them. I never whitnessed any disasters. I'd say if it had happened but I don't recall any real problems.

If u were that worried about it why wouldn't you just do the whole nine yards on your first strip and see what happens the next day?
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If u were that worried about it why wouldn't you just do the whole nine yards on your first strip and see what happens the next day?
Sometimes, paper failure doesn't happen overnight. The worst one I had, when a large percentage of the strips just fell off the wall and ended up on the floor, didn't happen for a week or so.

I was lucky on that one in that I just brushed the dry flaking paste off the wall and the back of the paper, repasted, and hung them right where they came from.

I was pissed in that I never discovered what failed and why.



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and hey, so you could get ur day in, I would have rolled on the primer and just stayed off of the base enuff not to hit the poly or whatever it is I don't know how much area ur workin on but constructive work is progress. Truth be known, though, when priming for paper we don't cut in for the most part anyway. It gets rolled tight as standard operating procedure.
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I guess it's the difference between commercial and residential. As much as I hate an aborted day, I hate chances of failure even more. And you know me, I'm just a prima donna who thinks the only way to git er done is to git er done right.



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I guess it's the difference between commercial and residential. As much as I hate an aborted day, I hate chances of failure even more. And you know me, I'm just a prima donna who thinks the only way to git er done is to git er done right.

again agreed

big difference between commercial vinyl and what you are working with

as you already know
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I guess it's the difference between commercial and residential. As much as I hate an aborted day, I hate chances of failure even more. And you know me, I'm just a prima donna who thinks the only way to git er done is to git er done right.
I know I've posted this before, but a mentor of mine had this sign in his office:

"If you don't have time to do it right, when are you going to have time to do it over?"
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O.k. And I get it and all.

now you go in tomoro. And it's still tacky. Now what. More deliberation?
cause it is very liable to still be tacky tomoro is all.

A saying that may seem counterintuitive "do something. Even if it's wrong"
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Would it not be possible to wipe most of to off with rag and spirits? Does it also feel this tacky on the baseboard?
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Depending on what it was, if it was over-applied or can't penetrate I've seen some oil stains stay wet/tacky for weeks.

I don't know what you could do about except maybe clean it off.
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Would it not be possible to wipe most of to off with rag and spirits? Does it also feel this tacky on the baseboard?
I would try this. Couldnt hurt.
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When I left, the HO said she would put some "space heaters" in the area and let me know later. @ 5:00 PM she texted that they only made a "small dent" . As per our agreed upon strategy, I have rescheduled for Dec 9.

Yes, the base was also tacky.

No I will not attempt removal. I'm not a painter anymore. If it is still tacky in a couple of weeks, I will advise her to contact her painter to remedy

Don't worry, I can use a day or two off. With the work load I've had recently, it seems like all I'm doing is working. In this business, each job lasts one or two days. That means a LOT of estimates. I need a break.



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When I left, the HO said she would put some "space heaters" in the area and let me know later. @ 5:00 PM she texted that they only made a "small dent" . As per our agreed upon strategy, I have rescheduled for Dec 9.

Yes, the base was also tacky.

No I will not attempt removal. I'm not a painter anymore. If it is still tacky in a couple of weeks, I will advise her to contact her painter to remedy

Don't worry, I can use a day or two off. With the work load I've had recently, it seems like all I'm doing is working. In this business, each job lasts one or two days. That means a LOT of estimates. I need a break.

I got a call yesterday to do 1,one, 12 foot wall,

no questions about price, just do it

I am thinking , maybe 2 days?
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I got a call yesterday to do 1,one, 12 foot wall,

no questions about price, just do it

I am thinking , maybe 2 days?
minimum pricing.

No matter how large or small a job is, it still involves packing equip in and out, setting up, prepping walls, engineering placement, clean up, etc. Roughly 2.5 - 3 hours right there.



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Depending on what it was, if it was over-applied or can't penetrate I've seen some oil stains stay wet/tacky for weeks.

I don't know what you could do about except maybe clean it off.
Sounds like spar varnish.
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