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Old 07-18-2009, 12:33 AM   #21
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http://www.jsonline.com/business/50935662.html Harley just laid off 400 locally.. I am sure some of them will be on asking questions soon.
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Old 07-18-2009, 01:50 AM   #22
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There are some techniques in painting that can not be taught by the written word. Like floating a wall with mud, proper roller technique, mixing colors, keeping that little nubby of paint on the bristles as you cut a fine line, kneading putty just right for the weather conditions, running a line of caulk just right, etc etc.

OH, and then there are the "How much to charge for ......"

BUT, there are many fundamentals that can be taught by the written word.

I'm beginning to like a Painting 101 section or maybe a whole new BB.

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Old 07-18-2009, 02:13 AM   #23
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what tree-fiddy+7t?
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Old 07-18-2009, 03:02 AM   #24
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That's hilarious!! do you really equate painting with the dangers involved in driving a 2,000 Lb. machine down the road @ 70 MPH .
I think a section for newbies is a great idea...you could chime in if you want,be helpful, or just ignore them if they bother you. I look at it as a chance to educate. Maybe have a disclaimer at the beginning of it telling them to research the threads for your answers before posting to avoid redundancy and to not piss off the old grumpy guys
The comparison wasn't the safety factor so much as the cost of putting things right and the heartache that's caused by the mess left behind on an expensive item you own and work hard to get.

I don't understand how you think that answering their questions is a good thing. If they're asking here then by answering them you are giving them a false sense of security. Like Bill said, there are some things that can be learned by reading but not the skills. Skill is a big part of the trade. If somebody is in training then they would be asking their boss or mentour, which means that if they're asking basics here then they aren't in training. I wouldn't be happy to find out the guy who's working on my home 'learned' his trade on an internet forum.
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I can see this is going to be the main topic(s) on this forum for awhile. I just dont see any easy solution. There is only so much the mods and members can do. This could either be a turning point for this forum or it remains as it always has been.

My take is that advice is always free and given...what the person does with it is up to them. Some of these questions can really seem basic but what if you have a person with 2-5 years of experience and all was in commercial? Now they're doing residential and running into problems that they have never had to deal with before? Not saying this is the case here but I think you can catch my drift.




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I can see this is going to be the main topic(s) on this forum for awhile. I just dont see any easy solution. There is only so much the mods and members can do. This could either be a turning point for this forum or it remains as it always has been.

My take is that advice is always free and given...what the person does with it is up to them. Some of these questions can really seem basic but what if you have a person with 2-5 years of experience and all was in commercial? Now they're doing residential and running into problems that they have never had to deal with before? Not saying this is the case here but I think you can catch my drift.





....another neutral answer from the Wolfster.

Good answer. It's obvious that some here are ok with some helping and some aren't. There's been a lot of discussion here about what if other people learned things on the internet. (I don't mean the basic trade but get information on the internet, or maybe found a specific answer to a problem on the internet. YES I'd hope that anyone that has been at their trade a bit, (whoever) and runs across something they haven't seen before or handled before uses every resource possible to fix that problem. Doctors use trade journals all the time. Mechanics have books, use internet, have diagrams on the computers and use them all the time.

This forum (it seems to me anyway) is at a turning point. It can either just turn into a BS forum where people argue or what ever all the time or, hopefully be a forum where picking up a tip or two, maybe learning something one doesn't know about a specific "part" of our trade that perhaps they haven't done before, or maybe a tip about a product along the way. (with the new paints they've introduced here in the last several years honestly I think that would be a wonderful thing to get input on things like that).

I'll guess we'll see where it goes. Forums can either be just a place to hang out or a true "professional" forum where ideas, products, and other information may be exchanged.
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I can see this is going to be the main topic(s) on this forum for awhile. I just dont see any easy solution. There is only so much the mods and members can do. This could either be a turning point for this forum or it remains as it always has been.

My take is that advice is always free and given...what the person does with it is up to them. Some of these questions can really seem basic but what if you have a person with 2-5 years of experience and all was in commercial? Now they're doing residential and running into problems that they have never had to deal with before? Not saying this is the case here but I think you can catch my drift.




....another neutral answer from the Wolfster.
That is precisely why I think accredited training is a good idea. I think it should be introduced everywhere. It's also why I don't think opening a new forum for people to get advice on training and how to get into the industry is a bad one. We need more high standard skilled people in the trades and I, for one, would welcome and encourage anyone who wants to learn a trade the right way in any way I could. When you start moving the goalposts on standards then lower standard work will become the norm. If there was such a place where somebody who genuinely wants to get into the trade then I'd happily join in and take an active role in pointing them in the right direction. They may even get a job directly from tradesmen that participate in the forum.

I've often heard the term "there's no right or wrong way do do it" thrown about. That is a misleading falicy. There may be several 'right' ways to do it and there are always more wrong ways. Accredited training sets standards and procedures that are acceptable in the industry. It also eliminates 'bad habits' being passed on as the correct procedure. I don't believe there is such a thing in the USA but if enough businesses lobbied for it to happen then there's every possiblity that it could become a reality. That could only be good for business and the general public at large.
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I dont disagree with you Tooled, but accredited training is something that is almost non-existent in this field. Even the union training I would consider suspect in alot of cases. Basically we have to work with what we have.

There are those who learn only when they have to and others who take the time and use the proper information available to teach one's self.

Perhaps a PT accreditation tag? LOL
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