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Old 08-29-2018, 01:44 AM   #1
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Has anyone used ZINSSER® Smart Prime for kitchen cabinets? I've got some old Oak cabinets to do.

I do plan on priming all the doors and drawers with BIN but want to do the on-site boxes with a low odor waterbased primer. I'll be using Advance Satin in a light gray. Will brush & roll the boxes and spray the rest off-site.

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Every retailer i've worked at that got in Smart Prime for a special promo couldn't get rid of it fast enough. Most of the time at half price. That's pretty much the only experience i've had with it though.
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Every retailer i've worked at that got in Smart Prime for a special promo couldn't get rid of it fast enough. Most of the time at half price. That's pretty much the only experience i've had with it though.
Expensive premium primers are probably a hard sell to most painters and homeowners. Any complaints about the quality?
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Expensive premium primers are probably a hard sell to most painters and homeowners. Any complaints about the quality?
No complaints that i remember. Just the price was too high for box store customers like you said.
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I tried to find the stuff. I wasnt able to find any anywhere. I dont think they make it anymore. I poked my head in a Sherwin today, and I saw a similar primer. Its an acrylic alkyd primer, like smartprime. Dunno if its any good though. You might wanna use XIM UMA. Its similar to stix, except it has stain blocking. And its sandable.
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Smart Prime is still produced.
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Used quite a bit about eight years or so ago. Liked it. But I did have some trouble with bleed through on some dark stained cabinets I used it on. After that, I never used it for that type of situation again.
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Used quite a bit about eight years or so ago. Liked it. But I did have some trouble with bleed through on some dark stained cabinets I used it on. After that, I never used it for that type of situation again.
Most of those old cabinets are sealed with some sort of clear coating or poly. How can it bleed through that? I just wash them and degloss if necessary with Krud Cutter and then prime. I never want to break that barrier with sandpaper. That's when you get bleed through.
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Nearly every primer failure (bleed through of a stain) I have had has been on the frames particularly around the stove, sink, dishwasher, near the floor. It is just not as easy to prep these areas properly and they can get pretty funky. BIN will usually fix a less than optimal prep. I would go ahead and use BIN brush and roll on those frames. It wont stink that long and you will be confident in your process. I have not used smart prime.
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Nearly every primer failure (bleed through of a stain) I have had has been on the frames particularly around the stove, sink, dishwasher, near the floor. It is just not as easy to prep these areas properly and they can get pretty funky. BIN will usually fix a less than optimal prep. I would go ahead and use BIN brush and roll on those frames. It wont stink that long and you will be confident in your process. I have not used smart prime.
I didn't know you can brush and roll BIN. I just assumed that it was a spray only coating. Will the roll texture sand out for the boxes?
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Most of those old cabinets are sealed with some sort of clear coating or poly. How can it bleed through that? I just wash them and degloss if necessary with Krud Cutter and then prime. I never want to break that barrier with sandpaper. That's when you get bleed through.

Well, you asked if anyone had used it and I had. Then I described my experience. If you already have all the answers, not sure why you posted your question. Not unusual for cabinets getting painted to be in less than pristine condition.
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Kelly Moore makes a hybrid primer, 265 is the product number, that performs well. It is brushable, rollable and sprayable, as well as sandable. Low odor and price too.
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@Mr Smith, I prefer to spray BIN but when I cant I use a foam brush and roller. You get a texture that easily sands smooth. You will get some runs too but they readily sand out as well. Two thin coats are best...no need to sand between coats.
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Does it really take 4 hours to dry?
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Well, you asked if anyone had used it and I had. Then I described my experience. If you already have all the answers, not sure why you posted your question. Not unusual for cabinets getting painted to be in less than pristine condition.
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Well, you asked if anyone had used it and I had. Then I described my experience. If you already have all the answers, not sure why you posted your question. Not unusual for cabinets getting painted to be in less than pristine condition.
I'm just saying that your experience MAY have been user error. Some painters mistakenly sand the clear coat and 'punch through' the barrier which can lead to bleed through. Not saying you did but that is certainly a possibility. Not sure why you came back with the snarky response. Also with the waterborne primers that claim to stop tannin bleed, they often state that a 2nd coat may be necessary to stop the bleed entirely.

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I'm just saying that your experience MAY have been user error. Some painters mistakenly sand the clear coat and 'punch through' the barrier which can lead to bleed through. Not saying you did but that is certainly a possibility. Not sure why you came back with the snarky response. Also with the waterborne primers that claim to stop tannin bleed, they often state that a 2nd coat may be necessary to stop the bleed entirely.
Not snarky - you asked for members’ experiences with the product. I shared, then you proceeded to infer it was my incorrect process that caused it. Trust me, it wasn’t my first rodeo. So take heed, or not, I couldn’t care less.
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Not snarky - you asked for members’ experiences with the product. I shared, then you proceeded to infer it was my incorrect process that caused it. Trust me, it wasn’t my first rodeo. So take heed, or not, I couldn’t care less.
Yes your response was definitely snarky. I asked you how it can bleed through a clear coat barrier. Your answer was " If you already have all the answers, not sure why you posted your question"


All you had to do was explain further your situation. Instead, you get all defensive and give THAT response.

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Yes your response was definitely snarky. I asked you how it can bleed through a clear coat barrier. Your answer was " If you already have all the answers, not sure why you posted your question"


All you had to do was explain further your situation. Instead, you get all defensive and give THAT response.
Nothing to explain. Now, just let it go - cause I am.
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