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Old 01-25-2014, 04:32 AM   #41
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Well crap, now you have me worried. We sealed it today with Gardz. It appeared that the paper was installed directly over the drywall. Do you think that putting CS over the Gardz would be a good combo? I think the tapers are coming in on Monday anyways.

personally, I would
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Old 01-25-2014, 07:16 AM   #42
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personally, I would

as would I. Just to be sure.

As you may be aware, acrylics will soften with long contact with moisture, especially before cured. A light coating of compound would not worry me, as a matter of fact, an acrylic will slightly re-emulsify and cause a sound bond with the JC. I am a bit concerned (and not 100% knowledgeably) how the weight of the knock down and the extended infusion of moisture would affect the gardz and the bonding strength of the old wallpaper paste. This is a question that should be asked of the chemists.

So in lieu of scientific knowledge, I would coat with something I knew would be impervious to the moisture.

This all stems from my total mistrust of not removing wallpaper before coating it with anything.

and obviously, I could be completely misguided



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Well crap, now you have me worried. We sealed it today with Gardz. It appeared that the paper was installed directly over the drywall. Do you think that putting CS over the Gardz would be a good combo? I think the tapers are coming in on Monday anyways.
Last year I did a job where the homeowner had paneled wallcovering and didnt want it removed so I gardzed over it, applied fibafuse and skimmed with two coats of mud.kinda worried me but I was back there doing some more painting recently and checked it out and it still looks flawless.
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Last year I did a job where the homeowner had paneled wallcovering and didnt want it removed so I gardzed over it, applied fibafuse and skimmed with two coats of mud.kinda worried me but I was back there doing some more painting recently and checked it out and it still looks flawless.

huh?
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Its a type of drywall tape.
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Sorry for the con"fuse".
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Sorry for the con"fuse".

never heard of it, but then I don't do a whole lot of drywall work, a big roll of paper tape lasts me a couple years
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My 2 cents here.....been using Gardz and hating it for many years...great product but very potent even when using fans to quick dry the product....yes I wear a respirator but in commercial areas people start to complain big time about the smell.... Draw tite was recommended on this board and I find it is a very good product as it works just as well as Gardz and is not nearly as potent in smell...they also offer it in a thicker viscosity..... only draw back is it needs to be ordered online...so I usually get it in fives....

I use coverstain when I absolutely have to ( but don't want to) prime over wall paper...the process of applying an oil based product followed by wallpaper paste makes sense to me since oil repels water .....
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My 2 cents here.....been using Gardz and hating it for many years...great product but very potent even when using fans to quick dry the product....yes I wear a respirator but in commercial areas people start to complain big time about the smell.... Draw tite was recommended on this board and I find it is a very good product as it works just as well as Gardz and is not nearly as potent in smell...they also offer it in a thicker viscosity..... only draw back is it needs to be ordered online...so I usually get it in fives....

I use coverstain when I absolutely have to ( but don't want to) prime over wall paper...the process of applying an oil based product followed by wallpaper paste makes sense to me since oil repels water .....

Just one minor correction. It works BETTER than Gardz.

Most are familiar with the fact that D-T is the original and that the Big Z reversed engineered it and formulated Gardz with the same resins, but had to use significantly less percentage of it in order not to violate patent laws.

As the story goes, the Big Z offered Scotch a deal to purchase the rights to the formula. Chas (owner of Scotch Paints) said F.U. and so Z reformulated the product to the watered down version they named Gardz.

Scotch Paints has never been able to put together a national distribution system, and so we are stuck with buying the knocked off bastardization.

Unless you want to order and pay exorbitant shipping OR buy 32 gallons with free shipping. (at least that the way it was some 7 years ago)



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