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Old 08-20-2019, 05:53 PM   #1
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Default Help! Vinyl Over Vinyl Trouble

Looking for some input. I recently installed some commercial vinyl over existing commercial vinyl and am having some issues.

First off, I did not want to install the new vinyl over the existing but the customer didnít want to pay to have the old vinyl stripped.

I talked to Roman and told them what I had to do. They suggested that I use their Pro-935 primer over the existing vinyl and hang the new with their Pro-555 extreme tack paste.

Now that everything has been up for around three weeks Iím getting a lot of air and paste bubbles that werenít there after the install and the customer is not happy about them.

Has anyone else run into anything like this? I know that theyíre sealed between the two vinyls but will these air and paste bubbles eventually disappear?
Iím sort of freaking out at this point.
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:15 PM   #2
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Looking for some input. I recently installed some commercial vinyl over existing commercial vinyl and am having some issues.

First off, I did not want to install the new vinyl over the existing but the customer didnít want to pay to have the old vinyl stripped.

I talked to Roman and told them what I had to do. They suggested that I use their Pro-935 primer over the existing vinyl and hang the new with their Pro-555 extreme tack paste.

Now that everything has been up for around three weeks Iím getting a lot of air and paste bubbles that werenít there after the install and the customer is not happy about them.

Has anyone else run into anything like this? I know that theyíre sealed between the two vinyls but will these air and paste bubbles eventually disappear?
Iím sort of freaking out at this point.
You can use a hypodermic needle to suck excess paste bubbles out.
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I found vinyl over vinyl always bubbles. They will not go away on their own. You will have to smooth them out.
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:17 AM   #4
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Before it solidifies, Maybe 2 weeks maybe longer you may have to smooth it out a few times before it dries. the glue is gassing in a non porous environment always going to be a few bubbles. They may suck back down or not. Good luck.
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Looking for some input. I recently installed some commercial vinyl over existing commercial vinyl and am having some issues.

First off, I did not want to install the new vinyl over the existing but the customer didnít want to pay to have the old vinyl stripped.

I talked to Roman and told them what I had to do. They suggested that I use their Pro-935 primer over the existing vinyl and hang the new with their Pro-555 extreme tack paste.

Now that everything has been up for around three weeks Iím getting a lot of air and paste bubbles that werenít there after the install and the customer is not happy about them.

Has anyone else run into anything like this? I know that theyíre sealed between the two vinyls but will these air and paste bubbles eventually disappear?
Iím sort of freaking out at this point.

Lame, but the customer cant be mad at you about it... They wanted to cheap out about the removal.

I would make a small makeshift version of a 'hohlenpoker' with about five sewing needles on a pencil eraser, jab the bubbles a few times and roll them out.
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Has anybody ever perforated the vinyl on the wall before installing?

Edit... Oh My Gosh... I just checked out Chris's link. Now I can't delete my post and I look stupid.

Edit: I guess I could try to come up with another post before anybody reads this.

Edit: Well that's not going well.

Edit: Heat or something something something... dang
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Has anybody ever perforated the vinyl on the wall before installing?

Edit... Oh My Gosh... I just checked out Chris's link. Now I can't delete my post and I look stupid.

Edit: I guess I could try to come up with another post before anybody reads this.

Edit: Well that's not going well.

Edit: Heat or something something something... dang

Now you CANT change it!

P.S. when you edit your post, you can delete everything you wrote, and write 'nevermind.'

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Now you CANT change it!

P.S. when you edit your post, you can delete everything you wrote, and write 'nevermind.'
Ha, been so long since I've posted here that I forgot I have to subscribe to be notified of posts to the same thread.

Thanks for that but I always forget if nevermind is one or two words. It's underlined in red as one word, but my dictionary has been known to be wrong.

But I'm a Paint Talk veteran, I can take it when people log on to my post and not get great information.
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