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Old 09-26-2019, 06:17 PM   #1
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I read in the Festool Group that Breakthrough V50 is coming to Canada in 2020. That's great news for cabinet finishers. This is the higher VOC version where it stands up to hand oils.

Currently, only V51 (low VOC) is available in Canada and some regions of the US.

"There are different regulations regarding the labelling, than the US. We need to have French and English. PPG Canada is working on this."

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The 250 is the good stuff, not the 50.

Edit. Nevermind. The v50 is the 250 voc, and the v51 is the 50 VOC. Had me confused...

Makes me wonder if my paint stores know what Im talking about when I ask if they have the 250 and not the 50... I might have to look into that. Texas isnt known for banning high VOC stuff....

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The 250 is the good stuff, not the 50.

Edit. Nevermind. The v50 is the 250 voc, and the v51 is the 50 VOC. Had me confused...

Makes me wonder if my paint stores know what Im talking about when I ask if they have the 250 and not the 50... I might have to look into that. Texas isnt known for banning high VOC stuff....
I specify that I want the blue label not the red otherwise, I doubt they'd know what I'm talking about.

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Blue label... Good to know.


They still dont make a semigloss though... I think thats what turned me off of it to begin with. Of course, now, more people want satin on their trim and cabinets.
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They still dont make a semigloss though... I think thats what turned me off of it to begin with. Of course, now, more people want satin on their trim and cabinets.
Yeah that applies for the satin which is what I use. I think the gloss is purple or something.

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That would be cool. Weird that they would bring back a higher VOC option though, no?
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That would be cool. Weird that they would bring back a higher VOC option though, no?
Because they can market it as a cabinet paint. They do not with the V51.

At 250 g/l It's still well below the 450 g/l max in Canada for architectural coatings.
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Sorry for your bad luck, Canada.
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how long has breakthrough been on the market now?
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how long has breakthrough been on the market now?[/QUOTE

I was selling the original back in 1990. When it was the original manufacturer.
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how long has breakthrough been on the market now?[/QUOTE

I was selling the original back in 1990. When it was the original manufacturer.
Crazy that I've found nothing other than Ultraplate that's better. Even though it's been around a long time when talking about acrylics it's crazy fast cure time, it's adhesion, and it's pretty amazing durability are hard to ignore.

Actually using it isn't fun, doesn't hide well and dialing it in when spraying can be a challenge. It's a weird fickle product with a big learning curve.

So far only Ultraplate has it beat from what I've found and of course I can't get my hands on it locally. I hear BM has a new product coming that might give it a run, we'll see.

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how long has breakthrough been on the market now?[/QUOTE

I was selling the original back in 1990. When it was the original manufacturer.
Crazy that I've found nothing other than Ultraplate that's better. Even though it's been around a long time when talking about acrylics it's crazy fast cure time, it's adhesion, and it's pretty amazing durability are hard to ignore.

Actually using it isn't fun, doesn't hide well and dialing it in when spraying can be a challenge. It's a weird fickle product with a big learning curve.

So far only Ultraplate has it beat from what I've found and of course I can't get my hands on it locally. I hear BM has a new product coming that might give it a run, we'll see.

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Hard to believe California is going out of their way to steal business from and cause their dealers to close down when there are so few of them isn't it?
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Hard to believe California is going out of their way to steal business from and cause their dealers to close down when there are so few of them isn't it?
How are they stealing business from their dealers?

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Hard to believe California is going out of their way to steal business from and cause their dealers to close down when there are so few of them isn't it?
How are they stealing business from their dealers?

They started selling Cali products through ppg specifically to get around the no compete clause in their contract with me. Selling to ppg so ppg could take 75% of my business. That's how. And I've heard things like this through several former California dealers. The worst thing a Cali dealer can do is get a couple of customers that buy a lot of paint.
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[quote=Theoriginalpacman;1664737]Wait, so you're saying I can get Ultraplate through my PPG dealer? How would they tint it, I thought Cali used there own GenX type tints.

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Ultraplate, like Cabinetcoat, tints on universal colorant. So any paint store can tint them. Non BM dealers can order INSLX products as well. SW carries INSLX pool paints for example. Can also be ordered through PSS cheaper than I get directly through BM...
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Ultraplate, like Cabinetcoat, tints on universal colorant. So any paint store can tint them. Non BM dealers can order INSLX products as well. SW carries INSLX pool paints for example. Can also be ordered through PSS cheaper than I get directly through BM...
Is that so, sounds like I need to have a chat with my PPG dealer...

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Will Breakthrough! raise the grain on raw wood surfaces?
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I wouldnt trust any paint over bare wood. Especially latex. Why not just prime first and seal the deal.

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