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Old 06-30-2019, 11:33 PM   #41
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Breakthrough VOC 50 will pass the fingernail test. It will not pass the time test for normal handling. It will breakdown from the oils in our hands. It starts to get gummy and tacking, hard to clean and will rub off. The surfaces exposed to the most use will fail first. Door knobs, pulls, trash doors, and utensils drawers.
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People still use breakthrough?
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I have finally got PPG to acknowledge that the Breakthrough VOC 50 while marketed as a product that will hold up to cabinet and door use. Will not... It breaks down from the oils in handling. So doors and drawers that are used often, will breakdown first. They start to get gummy and tacking and will start to rub off. They hold up very nicely when not exposed to the oils from normal use. But as we all know doors and drawers, whether it be on the kitchen cabinets, bath vanities and entry doors, they are and will be exposed to oils from ones hands. The questions is not whether they will hold up... but when will they fail?
If you read the Pds for both versions of Breakthrough you'll see the 250 says it's for cabinets and the 50 does not.

I'm currently putting the 250 version to the ultimate test at my house. My cabinets, stairs, handrails, and kids bathroom vanity are all done with it.

I'm past the year mark and it's held up nicely so far. The cabinets clean easily and have yet to chip. A couple months ago we got a Springer Spaniel puppy which when getting her water she gets excited and jumps all over the lower cabinets. I cringe every time but have to see scratches or chips from it. So did chew the corner of one door, breakthrough couldn't stop that .

The stairs haven't scratched or chipped and the handrail which is done in black looks great too. I just did the kids vanity in a dark blueish grey so we'll see how that holds up long term.

They really should have called the 50voc version something else because it can be a bit misleading, however I'm still impressed with the 250.

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Yes definitely been clear coating this product since the first time I used it few years ago on a rental and noticed the sticky feeling around the pulls.
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Yes definitely been clear coating this product since the first time I used it few years ago on a rental and noticed the sticky feeling around the pulls.
So instead of using a different product, you choose to clear coat it? What are you clear coating with?
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If you are going to add a protective clear coat you can use the cheapest crap paint underneath it. The only advantage is the super fast dry time of BT. Most acrylics dry in an hour anyways.

Low VOC Breakthrough in Canada is about $62/gallon.

Save yourself some time with the clear coat. Just use Cabinet Coat or other poly blend paints and skip that step.
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General Finishes clear mostly. I am used to the Breakthrough v50. It does apply well.
The clear gives it that ultra smooth hard finish and clients don't mind paying for it.

I have experimented with many products and will continue to do so!
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confirmation.

Another painter used the low VOC breakthrough and it has failed.

I'll leave his name out:

"I'm doing a warranty cabinet refinish right now because I used the low v o c breakthrough. It doesn't stand up to the oils on our skin and turns to a caulk like mush."
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I have found that most trim paints in houses are sticky around garage doors, Bathrooms and etc. Maybe if people actually cleaned their surfaces every now and then the outcome would be different? Why don't painted walls turn in to mush around light switches?
Does anyone have specific wording in their cabinet painting contracts about chemicals, grease etc. ?
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The switch plate probably helps with that. I have seen it on doors. Especially in bathrooms. Problem with cabinets is that no one uses the handles. They grab by the edges of the doors.
Ive also seen it on chairs and tables from a combination of probably finger grease, chemical cleaners and UV breakdown. Im sure the lacqers and clearcoats will eventually do the same thing.
Obviously a higher quality product will be more resistant though..

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I have found that most trim paints in houses are sticky around garage doors, Bathrooms and etc. Maybe if people actually cleaned their surfaces every now and then the outcome would be different? Why don't painted walls turn in to mush around light switches?
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Yeah, i kind of already knew this having sold the product for years before PPG bought them. Sometimes you just have to let people dig their own holes as my dad used to say.
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3 What's the deal with that Milk paint? Is that brushed on or sprayed? What does it look like in comparison ti a regular paint?
I brushed it per the manufacturer's recommendation using a foam brush. When it dries there are no runs, drips or imperfections in the surface. It looks sprayed on. It is also rated as a interior/exterior finish.

It is not a true milk paint, but rather a modern paint made to look like milk paint. I was very pleased with the way it applied.

However I used black finish, and the milk paint scuffs easily so it required a top coat. The satin top coat made it look gray. I had to go with semi-gloss to keep the black appearance.
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