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Old 10-06-2019, 10:02 PM   #41
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Scuff-X levels better and does not pick dirt easy, however, adhesion and durability of the coat BT wins for sure!
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Scuff x update from a friend:

They specialize in cabinet refinishing only. Recently they switched to scuff x on cabinets. Theyíve used it on a handful of jobs now and they bought a fiver tinted white to have at their shop to use on incoming jobs. Apparently with their latest job, the scuff x fish eyed all over lay flat doors. Same rig, same process, same everything as always but the paint fish eyed. No contamination on doors. No solvent in rig. A typical job. After cleaning it off They went and bought a couple new gallons. Everything worked well at that point. So, basically something was wrong with the paint, according to them......

Next , they had a completely finished cabinet kitchen job painted with scuff x, and the homeowner decided they didnít like the door design/type. So they had to get new different doors, paint them with the same scuff x color and install. Well, when they installed, they noticed the units were a bit off white/yellowed compared to the freshly painted doors, again with the same scuff x. They ended up having to re spray the units with the new paint used on new doors so it would match.
So, now it appears scuff x yellows as well.
Question to the Scuff X users-
Have you noticed scuff x yellowing or have you had a bad batch of scuff x do weird things like fish eye?

I havenít used it enough to tell myself but this makes me a bit nervous on future use.


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Update on this post:
The store that sold this paint said it was a bad batch per BM and refunded and replaced the bad paint with new paint. I guess other painters had the same fisheye and yellowing issues as they had.

So there you have it! BM isnít perfect after all, lol and every now and then they are making a bad batch just like the other companies.



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Old 10-15-2019, 07:54 PM   #43
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S#*t happens.

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The store that sold this paint said it was a bad batch per BM and refunded and replaced the bad paint with new paint. I guess other painters had the same fisheye and yellowing issues as they had.

So there you have it! BM isnít perfect after all, lol and every now and then they are making a bad batch just like the other companies.



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The store that sold this paint said it was a bad batch per BM and refunded and replaced the bad paint with new paint. I guess other painters had the same fisheye and yellowing issues as they had.

So there you have it! BM isnít perfect after all, lol and every now and then they are making a bad batch just like the other companies.



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I had some bad cabinetcoat and stays clear batches make it to my store this year too. The worst part is I don't usually see a recall notice I usually find out after the fact there was bad batches.
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I had some bad cabinetcoat and stays clear batches make it to my store this year too. The worst part is I don't usually see a recall notice I usually find out after the fact there was bad batches.


Exactly. After all of the re-sanding spraying and install was done too!


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try some of the 1wb.200 undercoater too for those trim packs


i know several people here are using it for this already but only issue with scuffx its not officially endorsed by bm for cabinets so sort of use at your own risk.
cocomonkeynuts, do you shoot that duralaq with an airless or hvlp? I've been using my titan 440 with 310 FF for normal paints with good results, but haven't tried one of the water-based lacquers yet.
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cocomonkeynuts, do you shoot that duralaq with an airless or hvlp? I've been using my titan 440 with 310 FF for normal paints with good results, but haven't tried one of the water-based lacquers yet.

Have sprayed with both but usually airless. 212/312fflp on a 395 seems to be the ticket for my customers using it. Dont try to catch any drips or runs with a brush it dries too fast! They are spraying CC with the same tip size.
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Thanks! One of the my stores here carries the durulaq, thinking about trying it out on an upcoming cabinet job
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So a friend had a run in w fisheyes using scuff x again Spraying. (Store person said that using water to thin would do that, and to not use water to thin.) He didnít have an answer as to what to use to thin but said something that the chemicals in the paint didnít like water. Also said there have been some bad batches again. Got a new gallon and all was fine.

What else do you use to thin a water based product like scuff x?


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I had fish eyes/craters with scuffx when painting some flat panel doors.
I used stix primer and as soon as I sprayed the scuffx I started to see the blemishes. It was only noticeable on the doors as I also sprayed baseboards, casings, frames etc.

I have since switched primers and everything is fine now. Another time I primed an interior metal door with stix and sprayed x again...same scenario. Are they not compatible?

Maybe I had a bad batch as well? These two examples were 6 months apart.
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When is BM going to step up and make a great WB lacquer?


Just shot some target coatings WB pigmented lacquer (used em6500 + 4% cross-linker) a few weeks ago & was really impressed! Would obviously love a local HQ option vs having to order n wait for shipping but will definitely keep it as an option for future!

Gunna order some Renner soon & see how it compares.
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Mind me asking what you primed with under the em6500? Have you used it a couple times and have you had any issues with fine spider web/mud cracking?




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Just shot some target coatings WB pigmented lacquer (used em6500 + 4% cross-linker) a few weeks ago & was really impressed! Would obviously love a local HQ option vs having to order n wait for shipping but will definitely keep it as an option for future!

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Mind me asking what you primed with under the em6500? Have you used it a couple times and have you had any issues with fine spider web/mud cracking?

I went with Gripper for the primer- worked great.

Have only used it twice so far, but 2nd time was while my sprayer was being serviced so had to brush/roll for the sake of time. Totally expected to need a spray coat when my rig was back...

Was pleasantly surprised the next day when I checked the dry rack...every single piece had leveled out beautifully!

No cracking or glazing so far during my use, have you had issues? Was it after adding the cross-linker or just in general? Iíll need to watch for it if so....
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Hello PPD,
In your opinion is the EM6500 a finish that is hard and durable enough for kitchen cabinets.
We are always trying to find a better mousetrap.
Our favorite BM SuperSpec DTM semi gloss alkyd is going away here in Colorado.
We are seeking out a product that will last the homeowner a good ten years before they would consider a repaint or replacing cabinets.
A paint that lasts for a year or two won't cut it.
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So a friend had a run in w fisheyes using scuff x again Spraying. (Store person said that using water to thin would do that, and to not use water to thin.) He didnít have an answer as to what to use to thin but said something that the chemicals in the paint didnít like water. Also said there have been some bad batches again. Got a new gallon and all was fine.

What else do you use to thin a water based product like scuff x?


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Just shot some target coatings WB pigmented lacquer (used em6500 + 4% cross-linker) a few weeks ago & was really impressed! Would obviously love a local HQ option vs having to order n wait for shipping but will definitely keep it as an option for future!

Gunna order some Renner soon & see how it compares.
Considering adding Renner to our line up of products, so I will be interested in what you think.
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Hello PPD,
In your opinion is the EM6500 a finish that is hard and durable enough for kitchen cabinets.
We are always trying to find a better mousetrap.
Our favorite BM SuperSpec DTM semi gloss alkyd is going away here in Colorado.
We are seeking out a product that will last the homeowner a good ten years before they would consider a repaint or replacing cabinets.
A paint that lasts for a year or two won't cut it.

From what Iíve seen so far Iíd say yes, I say that hesitantly though cuz Iíve not had enough experience with it yet to give a definite answer.

Decided to switch to FPEO for the clients project & use the em6500 on cabinets for our guest room cuz I was also worried about guaranteeing my work with a new (to me) product.

Will be using it for craft/sewing storage so itíll see a lot of abuse over a decently short period of time. If I have any issues Iíll post about um @ let ya know.

That said I do highly recommend trying it out at least, its been BEAUTIFUL to work with!

Did an initial durability test on scrap boards- straight from can w/o cross-linker added when it arrived. Only potential concern was mar resistance-could easily dent it when rubbing pen cap over the surface. Was thinking about using renner poly topcoat on the vertical shelves before we decided to switch for client.

Havenít tested again after adding cross-linker but will do so today and let ya know if mar resistance improved.

Part of the reason I was excited to start working with it is how available Kevin (owner & chemist of TC) is if you have ANY questions or concerns. You can call & talk to him directly & heís happy to discuss concerns, chemical makeup, and make recommendations. I assume heíd also have testing info to share if asked.
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Considering adding Renner to our line up of products, so I will be interested in what you think.

Iím STOKED to start testing some renner products! Based on what Iíve seen from other finishers is beautiful to lay down & EXTREMELY durable

Especially excited to play around with the ďvictoria secretĒ poly! It was used on the store floors & ended up being so durable they were able to extend their maintenance schedule by a few years.

Reminds me a lot of the original Break-Through (which I still miss so much)- my local supplier used on their cement floors & it held up in a similar way.
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