Chair refinishing - Paint Talk

finishesbykevyn · 08-03-2019, 06:28 AM

Have not got into alot of furniture restoration jobs. Client is just letting me do 1 or 2 chairs at a time.
First one will be a tester as I have absolutely no idea how long this will take and what to charge her.
Its really nice mahony from Gibbard.
How would you tackle this..?
It will be restained and clear coated.
Not sure why pics are sideways.

cocomonkeynuts · 08-03-2019, 01:55 PM

Chemical strip, sand to 120-150. Benite. Stain with lenmar alkyd wiping. Top coat with lenmar precat dull rubbed or satin. 2-3 days per chair. You can speed things up by skipping Benite or using something faster drying.

Lightningboy65 · 08-03-2019, 02:16 PM

My approach has always been as follows: 1. look customer in eyes 2. Tell them "I don't refinish furniture".

The few pieces I've done over the years for myself have taken so long, I couldn't imagine ever being able to turn a profit at it. I know there are guys that can and do, but I never cared to figure it out. Good luck.

Brushman4 · 08-03-2019, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by finishesbykevyn

Have not got into alot of furniture restoration jobs. Client is just letting me do 1 or 2 chairs at a time.
First one will be a tester as I have absolutely no idea how long this will take and what to charge her.
Its really nice mahony from Gibbard.
How would you tackle this..?
It will be restained and clear coated.
Not sure why pics are sideways.

Who's Gibbard?

Lightningboy65 · 08-03-2019, 07:55 PM

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Who's Gibbard?

He's the guy that figured out you could use the turkey organs to enhance gravy...hence giblets!

Brushman4 · 08-04-2019, 02:28 AM

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He's the guy that figured out you could use the turkey organs to enhance gravy...hence giblets!

Oh, that dude! I thought it might be the guy who played for the NY Giants that was on Monday Night Football for many years?

Lightningboy65 · 08-04-2019, 06:31 AM

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Oh, that dude! I thought it might be the guy who played for the NY Giants that was on Monday Night Football for many years?

Oh, you could be right...

Kathy Lee Gibbard's husband.

Redux · 08-04-2019, 03:22 PM

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Oh, you could be right...

Kathy Lee Gibbard's husband.

And I was certain the chairs were Kareem Abdul’s Gibbards..

finishesbykevyn · 08-04-2019, 08:24 PM

What's benite? And Is that precat lacquer?

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Chemical strip, sand to 120-150. Benite. Stain with lenmar alkyd wiping. Top coat with lenmar precat dull rubbed or satin. 2-3 days per chair. You can speed things up by skipping Benite or using something faster drying.

finishesbykevyn · 08-04-2019, 08:26 PM

I thought he made baby food.. Oh that Gerber.

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Originally Posted by finishesbykevyn

Have not got into alot of furniture restoration jobs. Client is just letting me do 1 or 2 chairs at a time.
First one will be a tester as I have absolutely no idea how long this will take and what to charge her.
Its really nice mahony from Gibbard.
How would you tackle this..?
It will be restained and clear coated.
Not sure why pics are sideways.

Who's Gibbard?

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Originally Posted by Lightningboy65

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Who's Gibbard?

He's the guy that figured out you could use the turkey organs to enhance gravy...hence giblets![IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.painttalk.com/images/smilies/glasses.png[/IMG]

finishesbykevyn · 08-04-2019, 08:28 PM

Lol. That usually is my response. She basically gave me a blank cheque for this though..

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Originally Posted by Lightningboy65

My approach has always been as follows: 1. look customer in eyes 2. Tell them "I don't refinish furniture".

The few pieces I've done over the years for myself have taken so long, I couldn't imagine ever being able to turn a profit at it. I know there are guys that can and do, but I never cared to figure it out. Good luck.

cocomonkeynuts · 08-05-2019, 01:17 AM

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What's benite? And Is that precat lacquer?

Benite is a penetrating prestain wood conditioner, it seals out moisture and hardens up a bit in the wood cells. It adds a amber hue. Can be painted or stained over or left alone as its own finish. Very popular product in the PNW.

https://www.dalyswoodfinishes.com/st...&products_id=1

Yes the lenmar is a precat lacquer, great product.

finishesbykevyn · 08-05-2019, 06:48 AM

Thanks Coco. Always appreciate your product knowledge. I imagine spraying the lacquer in my hvlp would be the way to go. Just hate working with lacquers.
Only 1 chair at a time mind you.. What would be your 2nd choice in something not so toxic. Or is that product water reducing?

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Originally Posted by finishesbykevyn

What's benite? And Is that precat lacquer?

Benite is a penetrating prestain wood conditioner, it seals out moisture and hardens up a bit in the wood cells. It adds a amber hue. Can be painted or stained over or left alone as its own finish. Very popular product in the PNW.

https://www.dalyswoodfinishes.com/st...&products_id=1

Yes the lenmar is a precat lacquer, great product.

Gracobucks · 08-05-2019, 08:57 AM

A solvent based lacquer is the way to go. It dries in 5-10 mins. and will have a nice smooth finish. You should be able to complete a chair in a day, maybe a day and a half.

cocomonkeynuts · 08-05-2019, 03:00 PM

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Thanks Coco. Always appreciate your product knowledge. I imagine spraying the lacquer in my hvlp would be the way to go. Just hate working with lacquers.
Only 1 chair at a time mind you.. What would be your 2nd choice in something not so toxic. Or is that product water reducing?

The waterborne lacquers are good too. Need to give the stain more time before coating though.

Yes the lenmar precat is ready to spray out of the can with HVLP, just give it a good stir. The solvent lacquers are just good faster turn around. As in you can stain with that lenmar alkyd wiping and get 3 coats precat lacquer in a day. Waterborne products would add an additional day at least.

Lenmar alkyd and lacquer stains can also be thinned with lacquer thinner and sprayed with hvlp.

finishesbykevyn · 08-10-2019, 10:32 PM

I think I found a matching stain in the oil based Minwax. (Had in the Shop). Can I put a solvent lacquer over that? Or would the Minwax oil poly be a better system? Or is Minwax just Crap all together? Its just so readily available around here..Also Wondering if spraying is best option, or if a wiping poly would be better for a chair..I feel like there would be so much room for drips and error on a chair with all the angles...

Redux · 08-11-2019, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by finishesbykevyn

I think I found a matching stain in the oil based Minwax. (Had in the Shop). Can I put a solvent lacquer over that? Or would the Minwax oil poly be a better system? Or is Minwax just Crap all together? Its just so readily available around here..Also Wondering if spraying is best option, or if a wiping poly would be better for a chair..I feel like there would be so much room for drips and error on a chair with all the angles...

If you have a Minwax color that matches I would skip the Minwax stain and use Duraseal QuickCoat instead, Minwax owning Duraseal, the colors being the same. I use the QuickCoat for floors. Minwax stains are notorious for having poor bonding characteristics with clear finishes and are designed more for HOs and DIYers, Duraseal being more of a professional product. Duraseal QuickCoat contains a resin which serves as a sealer and drier, deeply penetrating the wood, providing a richer and more vibrant look. It can be top coated with an oil PU such as Lenmar, PoloPlaz, or others. It can also be top coated with just about any WB PU, and can even be top coated with itself in the QuickCoat clear as a wipe on finish. Most any hardwood flooring supplier sells it.

https://www.duraseal.com/products/stains/quick-coat/

finishesbykevyn · 08-14-2019, 07:42 AM

Ended up finding a stain match in the old masters.. readily available at my local paint shop. So I also got a quart of the OM PU, see how it gos.. Just wondering whether I should spray the pu with my hvlp or just brush it..Was too much hassle to get my hands on any of the lacqers, and Im not used to using them..

cocomonkeynuts · 08-14-2019, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by finishesbykevyn

Ended up finding a stain match in the old masters.. readily available at my local paint shop. So I also got a quart of the OM PU, see how it gos.. Just wondering whether I should spray the pu with my hvlp or just brush it..Was too much hassle to get my hands on any of the lacqers, and Im not used to using them..

I would spray that OM poly with the hvlp...

Good lacquer are much easier and faster to use than poly though...

finishesbykevyn · 08-14-2019, 11:15 AM

Good to know. Maybe I try lacquer on the next one. Let you know how it goes! 😂

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Originally Posted by finishesbykevyn

Ended up finding a stain match in the old masters.. readily available at my local paint shop. So I also got a quart of the OM PU, see how it gos.. Just wondering whether I should spray the pu with my hvlp or just brush it..Was too much hassle to get my hands on any of the lacqers, and Im not used to using them..

I would spray that OM poly with the hvlp...

Good lacquer are much easier and faster to use than poly though...

08-03-2019, 06:28 AM	#1
finishesbykevyn Kev D. Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Newfoundland Can. Posts: 1,271 Rewards Points: 385 Thanks: 277 Thanked 186 Times in 159 Posts My Photos	Have not got into alot of furniture restoration jobs. Client is just letting me do 1 or 2 chairs at a time. First one will be a tester as I have absolutely no idea how long this will take and what to charge her. Its really nice mahony from Gibbard. How would you tackle this..? It will be restained and clear coated. Not sure why pics are sideways. Attached Thumbnails

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Lightningboy65 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,519 Rewards Points: 876 Thanks: 31 Thanked 212 Times in 183 Posts My Photos	My approach has always been as follows: 1. look customer in eyes 2. Tell them "I don't refinish furniture". The few pieces I've done over the years for myself have taken so long, I couldn't imagine ever being able to turn a profit at it. I know there are guys that can and do, but I never cared to figure it out. Good luck. finishesbykevyn, stelzerpaintinginc., Wildbill7145 and 3 others like this.

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Gracobucks Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba Posts: 605 Rewards Points: 158 Thanks: 382 Thanked 373 Times in 221 Posts My Photos	A solvent based lacquer is the way to go. It dries in 5-10 mins. and will have a nice smooth finish. You should be able to complete a chair in a day, maybe a day and a half. finishesbykevyn likes this.

08-10-2019, 10:32 PM	#16
finishesbykevyn Kev D. Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Newfoundland Can. Posts: 1,271 Rewards Points: 385 Thanks: 277 Thanked 186 Times in 159 Posts My Photos	I think I found a matching stain in the oil based Minwax. (Had in the Shop). Can I put a solvent lacquer over that? Or would the Minwax oil poly be a better system? Or is Minwax just Crap all together? Its just so readily available around here..Also Wondering if spraying is best option, or if a wiping poly would be better for a chair..I feel like there would be so much room for drips and error on a chair with all the angles... Last edited by finishesbykevyn; 08-10-2019 at 10:36 PM..

08-03-2019, 01:55 PM	#2
cocomonkeynuts Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: usa Posts: 1,811 Rewards Points: 1,742 Thanks: 89 Thanked 318 Times in 280 Posts My Photos	Chemical strip, sand to 120-150. Benite. Stain with lenmar alkyd wiping. Top coat with lenmar precat dull rubbed or satin. 2-3 days per chair. You can speed things up by skipping Benite or using something faster drying.

08-14-2019, 07:42 AM	#18
finishesbykevyn Kev D. Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Newfoundland Can. Posts: 1,271 Rewards Points: 385 Thanks: 277 Thanked 186 Times in 159 Posts My Photos	Ended up finding a stain match in the old masters.. readily available at my local paint shop. So I also got a quart of the OM PU, see how it gos.. Just wondering whether I should spray the pu with my hvlp or just brush it..Was too much hassle to get my hands on any of the lacqers, and Im not used to using them..