Ok. Wtf. I've been using BIN lately through my hvlp with no issues. I ran out and had a brand new can of Stix. Sprayedbit through my airless. Fish eyes like crazy!
Side note: This was 2and coat over the BIN. Not sure if that is the issue, but I have had problems with Stix doing this in the past.. what the heck man. What a pain.
Never again.
"This was 2and coat over the BIN. Not sure if that is the issue" Maybe the BIN was not cured enough prior to applying STIX. IMHO, it is not a good idea to mix primers, start with one, stay with that one. I have not yet tried Stix so maybe someone with more experience using the stuff...
Ya maybe, but it had dried over night. Usually BIN is coatable in 30 mins.. I just can't see it. It's done it over other coatings too. When it works, it works well. Totally perplexed.
Good thought, but I don't run the BIN through my airless. Exclusively through my HVLP. Sprays like a dream out of the HVLP. However my compressor is out of commision right now, so had to switch to airless, which is why I went with the STIX.
I'm Not sure I'm familiar with a non loaded paper? Was using a fine grit sponge sanding block. Was thinking it could be my sprayer, but cleaned it like crazy and it still happened. Wiped everything down with micro fibre cloth and compressed air.
I used to think it was contamination from the Advance, having oil properties and all, but had not used Advance in my sprayer for a while. Stix has been letting me down which is too bad, because it is a fantastic product. Maybe as a 2nd coat Aqua Lock would have been a good choice as vwbowman mentioned..
Yeah, the source of the fish eye is hard to find. I've seen everything from contaminants in the spray line to maintenance crews lubing items 30 feet from the finishing room. Point is, it's a contaminant, not the product.
When I've seen fisheyes it's usually because I did something dumb like wipe the surface with denatured alcohol or a rag that hid min spirits. Don't know how any contaminants could have gotten on your surface but that's what crossed my mind. The consistent think for you is that it's always been w Stix and that I can't explain. Eliminate this factor and if the problem is solved, stay away from Stix.
Take a picture of the lid of the Stix, it has the batch number and let your BM dealer know about it, I have had a customer with the same issue and was told that BM was aware of the issue in a batch produced near the end of 2019.
Give Aqua Lock a try, it will save you some money and performs very well.
Take a picture of the lid of the Stix, it has the batch number and let your BM dealer know about it, I have had a customer with the same issue and was told that BM was aware of the issue in a batch produced near the end of 2019.
Give Aqua Lock a try, it will save you some money and performs very well.
On second thought @Holland. These are the same cabinets that had the glue on them from the thermofoil.. It's possible that some of the glue residue got on the sanding sponges and transfered to the surfaces!. Hmm. Definitely a possibility. This has been the job from hell.
You might be getting fish eyes due to a silane based residue on or within the MDF. Organosilane coupling agents are sometimes used with resins and adhesives to promote adhesion such as when applying thermofoils to MDF, the residue of which, might result in fish eyes.
Hey Kevyn, not that this will be helpful in your situation, but I've sprayed Stix twice through my 440 and both times it fish-eyed on me. Used a different primer and no fisheyes both times, so im pretty certain it wasn't a surface contaminant issue. Not sure what the deal is, but I don't use it anymore. I have used it brushing and rolling with no problems though.
Hey Kevyn, not that this will be helpful in your situation, but I've sprayed Stix twice through my 440 and both times it fish-eyed on me. Used a different primer and no fisheyes both times, so im pretty certain it wasn't a surface contaminant issue. Not sure what the deal is, but I don't use it anymore. I have used it brushing and rolling with no problems though.
Ya thanks for the feed back FTNW, interesting. I'm starting to suspect the Stix.. Too bad, as Stix normally is a superior primer for adhesion. Correct though, no issues when when brushing/rolling..Which primer did you switch too?Think I'll just stick to BIN for Cabinets. Have never had any issues with it.
Hey Kevyn i switched to Smart prime by zinsser for cabinets. Water based and blocks tannins. Passes the scratch test too so does everything i need it too without bothering my customers. Here's a job we finished prior to the shelter in place deal.
Nice! Smart prime eh. How was the adhesion compared to Stix? Did you spray it on or roll.? I haven't tried the smart Prime but am very intrigued. Nice work.
I had a friend doing some cabinets around the same time using Stix over some varnished cabs. His project was fisheying too! Compared product #'s and they were the same batch. So, I'm now 99% convinced it was the product. Such a shame.
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