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Old 04-15-2019, 09:05 AM   #21
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I just did my first cabinet job with Scuff X. I've always wanted to compare it with Durapoxy, so heres my take:

Both products were completely sandable as soon as it was dry. They both look great sprayed. With a little extender, they both brush out really good, and flow out really good.

Both are low voc. ScuffX has gennex tints, but I think durapoxy is lower overall. It lists more of the compliance terms than scuffX does.

For me, Durapoxy is a few bucks less per gallon, but that can vary.

As far as adhesion, I think Durapoxy wins. I did a test on one of the old cabinet doors. Dont get me wrong, scuff-x sticks very well, but when I got down to it with a key, the durapoxy was definitely stuck better.

All in all, I think they are very similar products, that get damn near as hard as advance and look pretty damn close too.
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I will always prime with BIN before applying the Scuff-X to cabinets. I don't think adhesion will ever be an issue.

I'll tell you this, the Scuff-X was very difficult to remove from my hands. It reminded me of Stix.

That said, I never did a scratch test. There were a few instances where I bumped some doors when moving them upstairs from the basement spray booth, and they didn't get a scuff mark or it washed off easily without a scratch.
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No reason to start a new thread... it's about to be my first experience with scuff x matte. Just finished sanding about 1000sq ft of new drywall we installed. Primed with zinsser Prime coat. Looking forward to the test. Just curious what are others paying for this? I buy some bm so I don't expect a huge discount but it's retailing at 58.99 / gallon and I'm getting matte at 47.99/gallon. That seems high to me but if it's all people say it is it may be worth it.


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My prices just want up due to BMís recent price hike. I was paying $42 or $44 and now itís $50/gal.


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Ya, I just sprayed a fireplace and some stair treads. Definitely sets up nice and hard. Not as easy to brush, as it sets up quick, but extender may help that. I also did a Foyer in the Matte. I noticed the Matte to be really shiny.,?
Super tough product. Downfalls IMO, coverage is very average. After priming some spindles and treads, they still need a 3rd coat of Scuffx for proper coverage.
However that seems to be par over top of stained wood.

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3 coats? Was it stained converted to paint?


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Yes, but this was brush and weenie roller on the spindles. I find both Stix and ScuffX not to cover very well.

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Damn that's bad. I'm hoping it covers well for me. It's just a light grey (ac-28) it better cover in 2 over a white primer


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Damn that's bad. I'm hoping it covers well for me. It's just a light grey (ac-28) it better cover in 2 over a white primer


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I did some walls two coats Revere Pewter over a dark blue with scuffX eggshell. Looks great and had a nice long open time. AC-28 has enough pigment load to cover nicely.


Also one of the reasons the customers I have demo'd SK5000, ScuffX and CabinetCoat to stick with cabinet coat because the coverage is very nice and smooth. I like scuffX but until BM comes out and recommends it for cabinets I won't ever advertise it for that use.



$50 is a good price for a medium volume dealer, BTW that product is quite a bit cheaper by the bucket.
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Damn that's bad. I'm hoping it covers well for me. It's just a light grey (ac-28) it better cover in 2 over a white primer


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Ya, a light grey should cover fine. This was cloud white I used.

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Hereís a pic of a large wall I recently finished using Scuff-X in eggshell sheen. On the second coat I added some XIM extender and it really helped minimize flashing. It was a tight space and I had to use 2 different extension poles to roll the wall.

Needless to say I was really impressed at how well it turned out.






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The rooms I'm painting are in a cape cod style upstairs. I have the same type of house and have experienced hat banding with both sw and ppg so I wanted to give this a shot.


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Pnw, looks sharp. That looks like a pretty shiny eggshell. I'm glad I bought matte


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No reason to start a new thread... it's about to be my first experience with scuff x matte. Just finished sanding about 1000sq ft of new drywall we installed. Primed with zinsser Prime coat. Looking forward to the test. Just curious what are others paying for this? I buy some bm so I don't expect a huge discount but it's retailing at 58.99 / gallon and I'm getting matte at 47.99/gallon. That seems high to me but if it's all people say it is it may be worth it.


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Its around $50ish for me. Durapoxy was 55, but went down to $45 for me the last time I bought it.
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DuraPoxy sounds like a great product but it's closest availability to Chicago is Kansas City.
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Something notable about Scuff-x I have to add....

If you have a dried out, empty gallon can of it, its has a totally different look or feel than any other paint I've ever seen. It feels extra smooth, like oil, and the bottom of the can is epoxy hard. Not even durapoxy does this... This is Satin Im referring to, btw. It feels like a gloss, to the touch.

Anyone else ever notice this?
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The rooms I'm painting are in a cape cod style upstairs. I have the same type of house and have experienced hat banding with both sw and ppg so I wanted to give this a shot.


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Out of curiosity, what PPG products have you had hatbanding issues with?
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Something notable about Scuff-x I have to add....

If you have a dried out, empty gallon can of it, its has a totally different look or feel than any other paint I've ever seen. It feels extra smooth, like oil, and the bottom of the can is epoxy hard. Not even durapoxy does this... This is Satin Im referring to, btw. It feels like a gloss, to the touch.

Anyone else ever notice this?
I noticed that with cabinet coat as well
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I noticed that with cabinet coat as well
I havent noticed that with CC.
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I havent noticed that with CC.

I had a 1B can brought in for color match recently, it was smooth AF from the top rim down to the bottom of the can.
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