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Old 04-08-2018, 11:21 PM   #21
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I knew the sayerlack hydro had a short shelf life (tds said 12 months unopened I believe).

My local bm store says they can get the lenmar products easily. However the TDS on their waterborne lacquer doesn't mention tinting at all or maybe I glanced over it too fast. It also doesn't mention kcma rating. So if it's not tintable and not kcma rated is it worth trying?

And correct, kcma rating is more important to an oem than to a refinisher. However it was brought up that maybe I should be looking more towards kcma products due to durability.

I would love to find a tougher waterborne coating that's sprays well in a variety of conditions and has a tough, factory like finish in sheens I can use (hand rubbed, satin and semi please).

Without the kcma or some other hardness/durability rating, it's also personal opinion no?

My next opportunity I will be trying SW msa. If it's like the old breakthrough I'm sure I'll get along just fine with it. The eggshell looks like it'll be just right on some cabinets.

I may order a gallon of the general finishes white Enduro poly but it seems that the white Enduro is their thickest product and may not be hvlp friendly. Not the end of the world as I can always load the airless/aaa but id like to find a pigmented top coat that will work with it. Haha.

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Old 04-09-2018, 08:16 AM   #22
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@sayn3ver - Thanks for the information. The enduro white poly is very HPLV friendly straight from can. I have done a number of jobs with it over BIN. I use Graco #3 tip on low setting. I SPRAY vertical x 2 coats, block sand it with 400 wet. Spray fronts horizontal on table. Can get a thicker coat to float out. Too thick and you will get some bubbles, just pop them. I have tried thinning with water and the bubbles seemed worse. When spraying vertical watch for runs occuring 2 to 3 minutes. I just lightly back brush it. Turn Hvlp fan to round and you can pinpoint hit corners and detail. You will probably have to turn air and material flow down. I have Graco 4900 4 stage with new gun Edge II Plus which squeeze feeds material vs siphon. Can spray in any orientation. You can tint white poly but have never done that. It is not KCMA but I have found it to be a pretty tuff finish. I use semi gloss. It will mark readily with metal tools during installation but this easily comes off with eraser. I would encourage you to try a gallon. I like it better than KA+ but more expensive. I order mine off Amazon. Generalfinishes has some killer products but sparse distribution network.
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Just an Fyi for @Mr Smith my suggestion/question was only relating to an island not for cabinetry. I am curious about coatings that will both reduce scuffing and look good in the island scenario.
I've had several customers request coatings for that particular concern. With the job I did with low lustre stays clear, pasticy wasn't an issue in that particular lighting. I haven't tried scuff x in any higher sheens- only walls on commercial gigs. Matte turns out well.

Also @sayn3ver the msa is a bit thicker than breakthrough. idk if you've seen the finish yet, but it always looks a tad dull to me. The semi seems more like an eggshell. i haven't checked it for scuff resistance. I know where you coming from with product availability. I'm down in Cape may. SNJ is wonderfully underdeveloped but there are drawbacks.
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Sherwin Williams Pro Industrial Waterbased Acrylic Alkyd Urethane Enamel - Semi-Gloss. 5H Hardness is always a bonus

https://protective.sherwin-williams....roduct-1522160

We should really work on shortening the names of our products..

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Sherwin Williams Pro Industrial Waterbased Acrylic Alkyd Urethane Enamel - Semi-Gloss. 5H Hardness is always a bonus

https://protective.sherwin-williams....roduct-1522160

We should really work on shortening the names of our products..
Is the turnarond faster with this product than with BM Advance? I love using BM Advance but it takes forever to cure, hence the blocking issues.
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@Mr Smith - the pro industrial waterbourne alkyd urethane enamel will not improve your turnaround time vs Advanced. It will probably make it worse. Sherwin Williams other product in this category Emerald Trim may offer some modest improvements. I don't use Advanced for this same reason extended turnaround time. I did a few cabinet doors and shelves with Emerald trim and it offers some promise, however I have not used it enough to say its better than Advanced with regard to turnaround. Maybe worth a test on your part.
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