Tape your trim and that will help with splatter/over spray.

 

There's a new technique called masking. I hear lots of pros are doing it these days.

And yes, the spray color tends to be slightly darker than rolled often times when using dark colors. I believe it's in the atomization of the product. Others can chime in and explain.
We mask, shoot trim, back mask, shoot walls (shield the lid as needed) run drop down plastic (or tape&paper/plastic....depends on the scope and budget) and shoot lids if possible/practical Otherwise shoot lids and roll walls. If the walls were shot, we always run our cut pot paint through the gun so that it matches. Especially on exteriors.
This process works well for us. It's time consuming on the front end but we make more on the back end usually. Unwrap everything, reinstall hardware and punch out. Eh-to each their own.

 

I mentioned this technique here once and was accused of Idaho painter hackery.. :whistling2: But this is an effective method for us on NC. We finish ceilings after priming and before trim goes up, finish trim, mask it, mask ceiling corners, spray wall cut with multifinish aaa shielding the ceiling. Come behind with an 18" jet roller set up and pull masking. Touch up a little and done.

This method is particularly effective because of the ceiling/trim paint that ends up blown onto walls. It always takes at least two coats brushed to cover, and only one good coat when sprayed.

 

Firm believer in being the last person to walk out that door. Commercial work especially. Still new to this forum thread, blogging stuff. One piece of advice I'll say about masking substrates, finished millwork, products etc etc. A can of "super 77" 3m sprayglue. Just a mist of it on anything that your shielding! Especially helpful when your tape fails, your visqueen won't blow completely off. Check out "Quality Ceiling Refinishing" Port Richey FL. Taught me a lot

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I wouldn't bother spraying and shielding or anything like that. Either mask it proper and spray the whole thing, be done fast. Or...what others have said, mask off the trim and cut/roll.

Edit:
For res-repaints, we spray all the trim first. Mask the flooring, spray..get some on the wall, whatever, we're painting the walls anyway.

Second day or same day, come in and start rolling the walls, then cut in. Second day is nice because we can tape on top of the base, then cut fast, pull the tape. Then focus the time on making lines straight etc, at the ceiling line.

 

cutting and rolling take no time, i almost look forward to it after the trim is done and the walls are prep'd. no way after all that is done im messing around with the sprayer and more tape. i could not see how that would be faster. flat ceilings to id rather cut, taping a flat ceiling to paint the wall sounds ridiculous

 

I like to spray the trim and mask off then brush and roll or spray and backroll the walls then mask the walls with making machine plastic then shoot the ceiling. In most cases there is less then ten minutes of touch up after all the masking is pulled.
I rarely use a shield and avoid any touch up and like crisp lines from taping.

 

Does anyone else ever do this? Spray ceiling last I mean. I watched an episode of flipping vegas one time and they had a Mexican crew come in and do it. They covered the trim, sprayed the walls, then masked walls with 12in paper and shot the ceiling. I thought it was the craziest thing ever. Just seemed like maybe for a super low end blow and go job where no back roll or any real quality was wanted or needed. No offense to your post. Am I wrong?Just interested if anyone else does it this way.

 

I back roll when needed but this system is not only the most efficient for me but ends up with the best final product. I mean I am about 99.7% completely done once the masking is pulled without having to pick up a brush except for minutes of touch up at the end.

I have tried every imaginable method and this is what works for me and have converted every one I have worked for or who has worked for me, It is very methodical but very foolproof and labor efficient.
I can understand painting the ceiling after the trim and cutting and rolling the walls but you get great wall to ceiling lines with tape vs. cutting in lines and pretty much always I can mask walls with film to spray the ceiling twice as fast then cutting in walls and masking the ceiling is much harder then masking the walls.
When doing repaints popcorn texture is common around here and has to be sprayed and I can not see how not doing it last would be better other then not having to mask but weighing more critical cutting it I would rather mask and have better lines.


I work alone and paint half million dollar properties and must keep on schedule to keep the other trades moving and be done and if I used some other methods I would be forced to hire someone else lol.

I use 12" paper to 48" film to control over spray and the smaller the room the less wide masking is just fine so 99" is way overkill but 9" paper like you mentioned you saw is not enough.

 

I never back roll or cut in ceilings anymore. I cross hatch spray em and done. For me I've always sprayed trim first then spray the ceilings. In nc I cut my walls to the ceiling, spray with a smaller tip, and back roll. I guess the thing I can't get around is if your back rolling the walls don't you still have to cut in the corner to the ceiling? Or do you just spray it and roll tight to the ceiling without actually cutting it to the corner? Like I said before mask and plastic on the walls to spray the ceiling is nothing new to me. I always do it when I'm spraying ceilings only. I don't see the time savings if you still have to cut to the corner but maybe you guys aren't. I get it if you're going for a super clean line maybe in a million dollar home although for me the wall to the ceiling line is usually the easiest and cleanest hand cut line in the house.

 

If we do trim, walls, then ceiling.... and we're spraying and backrolling walls, then the spray would cover the whole wall and hit ceiling (neatly, not excessive). So the 2-3" cut area doesn't have to be rolled as long as it's not piled up there. It could have half a foot of wall color on ceiling as long as theres no hard lines or heavy build. Then when dry, you plastic walls down and spray ceilings, viola.

If brushing/rolling walls, then you just mini roll that top of wall cut getting it on ceiling as long as you knock it down or feather it with a swipe of the mini.

 

But by the time you tape off trim from walls, couldn't you just have already cut in?

 

No,...especially considering there's usually two coats of paint needed to brush and roll walls, and cover over the trim overspray on the gwb.

Also check out the lines an experienced masker will leave.

 

everyone is so specialized these days and are so stiff when they walk on site. their thinking is stiff

 

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Truely!

 

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you painters are just too smart for your own good