[junkkirkland]

I used bin shellac primer to seal the cigarette smell in the dry wall. I applied two layers of the primer at around 55 f to 60 f. The next day, I applied top paint which is Benjamin Moore regal select. However I found the smell from the BIN primer does not reduce over time. Now I have complaining customers. What should I do now? Will the smell go away eventually after they turn on heat in the house?

 

[ridesarize]

It does take a while sometimes. The more area and more coats make it stronger, of course.
Hopefully it had enough time and cross ventilation so the bin could dry well and gas out. I don't think you can do much now other than ask them to get fresh air through the house for a while.

 

[chrisn]

I used bin shellac primer to seal the cigarette smell in the dry wall. I applied two layers of the primer at around 55 f to 60 f. The next day, I applied top paint which is Benjamin Moore regal select. However I found the smell from the BIN primer does not reduce over time. Now I have complaining customers. What should I do now? Will the smell go away eventually after they turn on heat in the house?

WHY???:blink:

 

[junkkirkland]

WHY???:blink:

Just on the safe side that the nicotine Oder gets sealed in.

 

[junkkirkland]

Yeah.. the problem is that BIN has a milky smell. It smells different from low voc paint. The customer does not like it. I used Kilz max for other rooms. They smell too, but it is the regular water based paint smell that most people are used too.

It does take a while sometimes. The more area and more coats make it stronger, of course.
Hopefully it had enough time and cross ventilation so the bin could dry well and gas out. I don't think you can do much now other than ask them to get fresh air through the house for a while.

 

[junkkirkland]

Never thought that the low temperature in Oct makes things different

WHY???:blink:

 

[junkkirkland]

Anyone has some experience on this?

I used bin shellac primer to seal the cigarette smell in the dry wall. I applied two layers of the primer at around 55 f to 60 f. The next day, I applied top paint which is Benjamin Moore regal select. However I found the smell from the BIN primer does not reduce over time. Now I have complaining customers. What should I do now? Will the smell go away eventually after they turn on heat in the house?

 

[CApainter]

Anyone has some experience on this?

Pigmented shellac is not designed for thick film build. You likely put it on too thick, not allowing for proper evaporation of solvents. Particular important when applying two coats of it.

 

[Wildbill7145]

Like Ridearise said, ventilate. I've never had this problem as I find the smell dissipates relatively quickly being that BIN is DA based. Now Coverstain seriously lingers. For days.

 

[CApainter]

Like Ridearise said, ventilate. I've never had this problem as I find the smell dissipates relatively quickly being that BIN is DA based. Now Coverstain seriously lingers. For days.

I've never had odor problems with BIN PS once it dries. Some painters think that more BIN is better than less. Not true. Shellac is not very flexible, so the thicker it is, the more brittle it becomes. BIN is merely a thin build Bonding coat. The OP should take a peek at the BIN TDS.

 

[PACman]

Bin smells a lot like corn mash. I like it. Reminds me of my kinfolk down in Eastern Tennessee. Ah, holiday memories.

 

[lilpaintchic]

does it smell better than the nicotine? And yes have them turn the heat on. It will likely help things to cure a bit quicker which should help some...

 

[Wildbill7145]

When I started painting I used to like the smell of both Coverstain and BIN. 14yrs later... I'm kind of over the liking it part. Even the weird fishy smell of the odourless Zinsser is a turnoff at this point.

 

[Vylum]

the stuff almost melted my nose off last time i used it

 

[NACE]

I'll get a little technical here. Shellac is a thermo plastic coating. Essentially it forms a film by solvent evaporation which is alcohol, and forms a monolithic film. It does not form pinholes in the film like oils and acrylics. That's why it is an effective barrier to control odor especially nicotine. Thermoplastic coatings are dissolvable in their own solvent. Shellac can be re-wet by wiping alcohol on the surface. Thermosetting coatings cannot be re-dissolved in their own Solvent. Unless the system is exposed to a high pH and is not PH tolerable The spelling is incorrect because I'm using Siri. However what happens sometimes is when a primer is applied to a drywall surface the solvents can release odors that are embedded in the drywall. In the case of shellac once the solvent has evaporated the film is inert monolithic and completely sealed. What may have happened is the alcohol in the shellac has softened the nicotine and is creating a lingering odor. Or the system was supplied too thick and the solvent is unable to escape completely. You may be able to allow the residual solvents to escape by wiping with denatured alcohol. As a general rule of thumb if there is a nicotine contamination that is severe it is best to hand wash with trisodium phosphate and rinse with clean water and then apply the shellac. Paint odors are a challenging complaint for homeowners because everyone has a different sensitivity to odor. They may be used to the odors in the house and now you have changed the environment and acclamation. Any residual odor is not harmful and sometimes boxes of baking soda will absorb air born odors. Trisodium phosphate is an excellent cleaner however it leaves a slimy residue if not rinsed thoroughly and can compromise adhesion.

 

[DeanV]

When I started painting I used to like the smell of both Coverstain and BIN. 14yrs later... I'm kind of over the liking it part. Even the weird fishy smell of the odourless Zinsser is a turnoff at this point.

You failed my drug test. anyone that likes the smell of lacquer/coverstain/etc and especially if they come t about getting a buzz from it in a positive way fail the test:jester:

 

[sayn3ver]

I sprayed some t&g boards last week with bin for an install. The cut offs i threw in my garage still have that sweet alcohol/long night of drinking essence about them today.

I don't mind the smell but could see it being any issue if that sloppy wine night scent brings back memories for some people. :whistling2:

Why did you use two different products on the same job for the same issue?

 

[futtyos]

Window fan

I used bin shellac primer to seal the cigarette smell in the dry wall. I applied two layers of the primer at around 55 f to 60 f. The next day, I applied top paint which is Benjamin Moore regal select. However I found the smell from the BIN primer does not reduce over time. Now I have complaining customers. What should I do now? Will the smell go away eventually after they turn on heat in the house?

I did a nicotine seal job last June. I washed everything first with chemicals designed to remove odors. Lilpaintchic told me that the nicotine smell will eventually come back. That may be the case, but I will probably not find out from that job. After cleaning we applied 2 coats of Kilz Max. I put a powerful fan in a window to either blow air out or suck it in depending on where I wanted the fumes from the KM to go as well as to help dry the primer faster.

Hands down, if I were applying BIN I would use a window fan if at all possible and make sure that the BIN got thoroughly dried before I either recoated it or painted over it. Oh, and did I forget to mention that a window fan can move the drying denatured alcohol in a direction away from your nose? I am a big fan of fans!

futtyos

 

[RH]

I've never had the issue the OP is describing. But then I never, even in the worst of smoke saturated houses, felt the need, or urge, to apply more than one coat of BIN.

 

[CApainter]

I've never had the issue the OP is describing. But then I never, even in the worst of smoke saturated houses, felt the need, or urge, to apply more than one coat of BIN.

Its so easy to over build BIN with an airless, because it can look sort of transparent even though it may be already at 3-4 mils WFT.