[TWPainting]

I have spent most of my ten years in the business working on new construction but with the conditions of the market in the area have had to move to residential repaints.

So my questions is about a house that has heavy cigarette smoke built up on walls and trim. I had some thoughts about starting by washing as much off as I could then priming before starting any finish. Its some extra labor I'm not sure the customer wants. Wondering if I am on the right track. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

I have spent sometime reading on this site and haven't seen anything on this topic.

Travis

 

[Brian]

The approach you describe is how we do it. Otherwise, the tar and nicotine will bleed through the new paint.

Brian Phillips

 

[TWPainting]

That is what I was worried about is the bleeding

 

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Do these folks live in this house? You said it's a repaint, but I wasn't sure if it was a lived in home.

Cleaning is always good. But if your using an oil primer (recommended) and there are no significant nicotine runs on the wall or spotting on the trim, You may just as well skip the cleaning. Nothing is going to penetrate through oil primer. Then again: A good washing with TSP or anything that can break through oil is a plus and you may not have to prime if the cleaning is done well. Pick your battle.

 

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The Last one I did like this we top coated in oil for the wall and ceiling. besides priming in oil.

 

[JTP]

Wash it

I would wash off the residue. This type of staining is usually fairly easy to remove. TSP or TSP substitute in garden sprayer, mix with a general concentrated cleaner of your choice, let it set and work, come behind with a sponge and or sponge mop. Wipe excess moisture off. Then, prime with BIN, or Oil Stain Killer of your preference. The cleaning is worth the effort and I would include this in your pricing structure.

JTP

 

[slickshift]

This type of staining is usually fairly easy to remove.

You have been very lucky
I would not categorized nic stains as easy
Though they can clean up well
I find that often they do not

I still do (and recommend) the process you outlined, but I'm not sure I could say even half the time it cleans up easy (actually free of nic before sealing..."removed")...I would say less then half

Hence the reason for the BIN/Alkyd sealer

 

[Mopaint]

Don't waste time cleaning I would go right with the alcohol based sealer, BIN or Incolac. Don't waste money on Kilz 2 in this case either. Trust Me. MOPAINT

 

[slickshift]

Any money spent on Kilz2 is wasted anyway...well not actually wasted

Using Kilz2 kinda like bending over to pick up the soap in the prison shower...you might get away with it without getting...uh...well...you know

 

[CApainter]

Most places that had nico stains, we'd blow out with BIN, then finish with KM 550 flat. We also used alkyd flat when it was available through Hoffman's paint.

I don't know if any of this makes sense to you East Coasters.

 

[slickshift]

Familiar with the concept, if not the actual products
We can still get Sani-Flat oil-based flat out here
It's been re-named Calcimine ReCoater, but it's the same stuff
The name change was to keep it legal
As it's now a specialty primer, you'd never use it for a top coat right....

 

[Boden Painting]

I usually wipe down trim with some Simple Green sprayed on a rag. then prime.

btw, I was born and raised in Concord, my Mom still lives there. Great town.

 

[TWPainting]

Thanks

Thanks guys for the input. I have included a washing and priming into the price if they don't want to do it for the price I don't need the aggravation.

Kilz 2 is not a good product used it once and will never use it again. Priming will be an oil with sealing capabilities.

Thanks again this was my first post and it was very helpful as most everything has been on this site.

 

[DW Custom Painting]

No washing, (waste of time) Zinssers cover stain!!!!

DONE, Finish w/ whatever you want.

 

[Slingah]

No washing, (waste of time) Zinssers cover stain!!!!

DONE, Finish w/ whatever you want.

I'll 2nd the Coverstain by Zinsser....

 

[DW Custom Painting]

:thumbup:

I'll 2nd the Coverstain by Zinsser....

 

[PaintProfessor]

I think the true test is repainting the inside of a bar/tavern. I did this last year and everything turned out perfect! I attempted to clean the wall with TSP, but found out real quick that that was a complete waste of time! Don't even wet the sponge, it isn't worth it!

We ended up using SW Pro-Block Oil Primer, it worked awesome and not just to cover the nicotine stains, but to topcoat. We only put once coat of primer and one coat of a tan paint(ProMar200).

If you do this, it is all you need to do. Sherwin-Williams will tell you to wash the walls before you prime, but trust me, you won't need to.

 

[bender088]

cigaret smoke

I have spent most of my ten years in the business working on new construction but with the conditions of the market in the area have had to move to residential repaints.

So my questions is about a house that has heavy cigarette smoke built up on walls and trim. I had some thoughts about starting by washing as much off as I could then priming before starting any finish. Its some extra labor I'm not sure the customer wants. Wondering if I am on the right track. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

I have spent sometime reading on this site and haven't seen anything on this topic.

Travis

ya im painttin over cigaret smoke damage i have used a oil base primer as told to do and a laytex paint and yet it is still bleeding throw any suggestions on wat to do all so tried cleaning it off before paintting and it still bleeds throw the woman is a chain smoker

 

[bender088]

yes i am paintting a house with mager cigaret smoke damage i have cleaned the walls and oil primered them and used a laytex paint any suggestions on how to stop the bleeding throw

 

[Workaholic]

ya im painttin over cigaret smoke damage i have used a oil base primer as told to do and a laytex paint and yet it is still bleeding throw any suggestions on wat to do all so tried cleaning it off before paintting and it still bleeds throw the woman is a chain smoker

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