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Some of both really, thus the call for the immediate use of the defense production act. Basically allow federal government to take over logistics across state border lines.
As a member of the California Kaiser medical system, and as a resident in one of the most populated regions in the country, where many are constantly seeking medical attention, the system has worked extremely well in my opinion. I can testify to that, having had a critical relationship with them for the past four years.

Are there discrepancies with such a large industry/organization? Sure! For example:

1. Rude administrative personnel
2. Rude pharmaseutical personnel
3. Rude health providers
4. Rude administrative personnel...

...but, they'll still be able to patch up a bullet wound and send you on your way. And, at an extremely reasonable co pay.
 

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Saw in the news that Italy is now the second country (is Iran the other?) to surpass China in the number of cases. I find that hard to believe. More believable is that we never did, or will, get the actual number of cases, deaths, etc. that China really had.
 

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Saw in the news that Italy is now the second country (is Iran the other?) to surpass China in the number of cases. I find that hard to believe. More believable is that we never did, or will, get the actual number of cases, deaths, etc. that China really had.

Can't have confirmed cases if you never test for them :vs_cool:
 

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3,400 cases in my county, 450+ in my town, with a death count of 30 as of yesterday.

We've got 6 in our county, but they won't release information about what towns they're located in. All infected while traveling abroad.


I honestly think that cruises should be a thing of the past.
 

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We've got 6 in our county, but they won't release information about what towns they're located in. All infected while traveling abroad.


I honestly think that cruises should be a thing of the past.

I tend to agree. But so many coastal regions, globally, depend on that particular component of the tourism industry.
 

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I tend to agree. But so many coastal regions, globally, depend on that particular component of the tourism industry.
Yep. Very true. I just wish they could figure something else out, rather than continue floating around on those viral incubators. Every industry has to evolve and change over time.



That being said, I may be a little biased because I'm not a fan of boats.
 

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Some people I’ve painted for in the past (friends of friends) were about twenty days into a sixty day cruise when this all blew up. They only made it to a handful of their scheduled ports, many have since denied the ship entry. Last news was all they wanted to do now is get home. No idea of their current status.
 

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Saw in the news that Italy is now the second country (is Iran the other?) to surpass China in the number of cases. I find that hard to believe. More believable is that we never did, or will, get the actual number of cases, deaths, etc. that China really had.
Actually RH, the US has the most confirmed cases, CNN shows 111,000+, Italy has now gone over the 10,000+ in deaths the most so far in the world.

This could be a bad sign seeing how just small a percentage of Americans have been tested.
 

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Doesn't it make sense that the more testing that is performed, the more positive results will appear? And frankly, that's a good thing in terms of placing a percentage of deaths associated with the Cabrona 19 virus.

This morning 3/28/2020:

1. The US had over 100,000 confirmed CV with a little over 1,000 deaths. It was reported as approximately 1.6%

2. Italy with over 54,000 confirmed CV and over 5,000 deaths at a little over 10% death rate.

At the end of the day, the more you test, the lower the death rate percentage will be due to:

1. The increase in testing

2. not everyone is dying from it (remember the CDC report of 80 something percent mild symptoms?)
 

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Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t quite get all the people clamoring to get tested.
If you are feeling cruddy and test positive, are you going to really do anything different than if you test negative? Hopefully you would still avoid others, wash hands, rest, drink plenty of fluids, etc. All the same that you would if you tested negative for CV but had a plain old bad cold. And suppose you get a test and are negative, but get sick again a week later - would you seek out yet another test?
Guess my take is that unless someone is severely sick and highly suspected of having it, and are at a higher risk, the test should be skipped. But, what do I know?
 

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From Wikipedia

United States (unofficial tracking)

Tests for Covid 19 as of 3/28/2020

1. Tested 801,416

2. Tested positive for Covid 19- 118,234

3. California-Tested 88,480. Tested Positive- 3,801

4. Florida- Tested-32,468. Tested Positive- 2,765

5. New York Tested-155,934. Tested Positive-52,318

6. New Jersey Tested-25,372. Tested Positive- 8,825

7. Michigan Tested-10,207. Tested Positive-3,657

8. Washington Tested-59,196. Tested Positive- 4,300
 

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Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t quite get all the people clamoring to get tested.
If you are feeling cruddy and test positive, are you going to really do anything different than if you test negative? Hopefully you would still avoid others, wash hands, rest, drink plenty of fluids, etc. All the same that you would if you tested negative for CV but had a plain old bad cold. And suppose you get a test and are negative, but get sick again a week later - would you seek out yet another test?
Guess my take is that unless someone is severely sick and highly suspected of having it, and are at a higher risk, the test should be skipped. But, what do I know?
Apparently, there was a testing crisis along with a swab and ventilator shortage. Now that we have more of them available to us, we might as well use them. Right? I just don't know whether to turn left, or right these days,
 

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Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t quite get all the people clamoring to get tested.
If you are feeling cruddy and test positive, are you going to really do anything different than if you test negative? Hopefully you would still avoid others, wash hands, rest, drink plenty of fluids, etc. All the same that you would if you tested negative for CV but had a plain old bad cold. And suppose you get a test and are negative, but get sick again a week later - would you seek out yet another test?
Guess my take is that unless someone is severely sick and highly suspected of having it, and are at a higher risk, the test should be skipped. But, what do I know?
I've decided to do my own test. My family is staying home for 10 days. There are no orders in my area to do so, but the numbers here are starting to increase just as they have all over the world and the country, so I'm going to try to be proactive. I will be the one that goes to the grocery when we need supplies, but my wife and two daughters are staying put. I have the advantage of being in a region that is still behind the rest of the world but I think it is just a matter of time until the same thing happens here that has happened everywhere that the virus has appeared. If I'm right my community will be in trouble soon. I hope I'm wrong.......
 

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Our best friend is a Pulmonary/Critical Care Specialist and also a teacher at Creighton School of Medicine. In charge of the ICU at the Veterans Hospital here. I've been "staying out of his hair" on talking with him as I know he's busy. Texted him last nite asking if he was doing okay. Said things are under control in our area but "when it hits, it's going to hit hard".

Logically, all we can do is hunker down and see where this goes. Get tested if needed, get medical care if needed. Common sense, (which seems to be in short supply with many in this country), should dictate a lot of the actions you choose to take. I don't take any unnecessary chances to exposure. Gotta have groceries. The wife works at a local hospital and is still working for the time being.
 

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You also have to realize that the numbers are days behind. In SC the tests get sent to the capital. She gets updates on how many were sent from her hospital on what date and how many how come back positive or negative. Test results sent from the 23rd still haven't come back yet.

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Hearing now that the cottagers have begun descending into our town from the cities early. They want out of the population density and despair. This isn't good. Our grocery stores are already pretty barren and today I'm hearing stories of cottagers clearing them out to stock up the cottage for the season. Our hospital is very small and isn't really capable of providing proper healthcare at the best of times. Every summer it gets overwhelmed already.


Someone said they saw groups of them wandering around downtown saying "WTF? Everything's closed?"



They've been told they should stay home and hold off on opening up their cottages for the summer. They don't appear to be listening.
 

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Hearing now that the cottagers have begun descending into our town from the cities early. They want out of the population density and despair. This isn't good. Our grocery stores are already pretty barren and today I'm hearing stories of cottagers clearing them out to stock up the cottage for the season. Our hospital is very small and isn't really capable of providing proper healthcare at the best of times. Every summer it gets overwhelmed already.


Someone said they saw groups of them wandering around downtown saying "WTF? Everything's closed?"



They've been told they should stay home and hold off on opening up their cottages for the summer. They don't appear to be listening.
The towns over on the coast have suffered similar invasions. Not as bad as it was in Florida, but during spring break (combined with whale watching season) many of them were inundated with tourists. Local officials responded by closing the parking at local beaches (they couldn’t close the beaches since they are all state owned). Many campgrounds, at the coast and elsewhere, have since been closed.
Things seem to have settled down a bit since the news has gotten out that going anywhere is a bad choice.
 

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Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t quite get all the people clamoring to get tested.
If you are feeling cruddy and test positive, are you going to really do anything different than if you test negative? Hopefully you would still avoid others, wash hands, rest, drink plenty of fluids, etc. All the same that you would if you tested negative for CV but had a plain old bad cold. And suppose you get a test and are negative, but get sick again a week later - would you seek out yet another test?
Guess my take is that unless someone is severely sick and highly suspected of having it, and are at a higher risk, the test should be skipped. But, what do I know?
The problem is that the original tests in the US designed by the CDC were flawed and it took them 3 weeks to correct this problem which put us behind the curve compared to say South Korea who has tested the most people per capita in the world.
This could have helped to slow the spread here just as South Korea's early testing and quick tracking flattened their curve.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/briefing/south-korea-coronavirus-treatment-olympics.html
 
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