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That's sick. I hope someone turns yo ass in.

Alabama eh?

*not surprised*

 

No offence to any other members or MODS that may reside in the great state of AL.

 

We got to know textures and replication, so it is a double edged sword. And texture to trim can be narly. Making a straight line out of craters is harder than you think.

Knock down yep !!!
Your cut is going great then bamm
Out comes a big chuck of texture in your way .
Throws of the Che .
Bullnose corners been doing the tape and clear caulk method works great .

 

The schs is jack, but then, there is no jack, it's a fictional persona (brand) that Brian created to house all of the claims that are intended to be substantiated by the videos that often amount to a bunch of yummy foreplay, but little consumation. I believe in the Easter bunny, santa claus and Jp equally. The dude is a good painter and I wish it was enough to give him a break as such, but when the claims keep coming in with questionable proof, it becomes all that is a good cartoon character. Those of us who have been on pt for the past few years recall the threads about no spatter ceilings and tuxedos, and rolling out 2000sf/hr with no cut. It's old news, it is what it is. Brian is a good dude. Jp is an alter ego. But I do think there is some value to it, it gives some segment of the industry something to believe in that is far better than nothing or the status quo. I don't think Brian is looking to be Jesus, and he probably won't be, anymore than anyone else will be. Much of the paint industry is entertainment, including paint talk.

 

I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. If jp wants to come consult/ paint this winter in his downtime, ill book an extra job to give his systems a crack. The offers on the table. I'm willing to loose money on a job to see the truth.

 

So, do you guys use tape to cut in or...

 

The value of the systems become more and more valuable for each time I hear someone challenge the claims. You question why some of it has a shroud of secrecy? It was enough to delete over 800 posts last month from the site and +. just sayin

 

When and if Scott ever flies out---I'm going to video tape him getting cottage cheese to level on a 12" sample board. Well maybe not cottage cheese but BM Advance, SI 314, ProClassic, Emerald, ULTRA, etc. so he can back up that claim he made on his blog that any monkey can do that.

Scott if you cant do it then would you at least wear a monkey suit and let me get a photo for my blog?

 

PT is like a pot luck dinner, you take what you want and pass on the nasty stuff,,, so if jp uses behr and loves it, who am I to call him a bad painter because of that.. I have gleamed a nice bit of knowledge from him so far, no problem at all,

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d9lV6w7lE0w

That is a cutting in example, not the fastest, longest, thickest cut I have ever seen by any means, but who am I to judge.

 

pretty fast..pretty straight, faster then I care to cut in

 

A minute and a half youtube video of speed cutting doesn't impress me as much as being on a job site for eight hours with a competent contractor that understands job management, sequencing, and logistics. In other words, pace, endurance, and consistency are more important to me then speed.

 

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Unfortunately, speed is priority in contracting, and I believe too many people get burned out because of it. It seems to me that "systems", in theory, are great as far as logistics are concerned. But relying on a painting system to produce the maximum quality in the least amount of time, doesn't take into consideration the uncertain sustainability of human physiology, and thus falls short of proving it's effectiveness in real world situations where one is applying coatings day after day.

 

Does it look like I'm rushing? I make a cut like seen in any of those videos and carry the connecting cuts as I walk a room. There is no rush, its an efficient cut and that obviously has nothing to do with rushing. I understand what your saying tho. Guys who rush have to make up for lack of being efficient.

 

not an Internet guru but I assume JP gets paid for hits on his site? No?

 

A minute and a half youtube video of speed cutting doesn't impress me as much as being on a job site for eight hours with a competent contractor that understands job management, sequencing, and logistics. In other words, pace, endurance, and consistency are more important to me then speed.

John this is Residential painting. You know as well as I do on a Commercial Gov. job like a Airport, Court House, School that has a 3rd party inspection firm doing QC and QA that the so called "system" would NEVER pass inspection.

You can't take short cuts, you have to follow the job scope of the work order. So to me 1 inside corner that was cut in... were we suppose to be impressed?

 

I like how you downplay it. This always happens on PT. Who cares if YOU have to cut it twice or not on commercial. Its still solid regardless and to do it again is for other reasons which only make sense to the person who spec'd it. I would prefer to have solid cuts regardless because they dont require any more time to perform.

 

I like how you downplay it. This always happens on PT. Who cares if YOU have to cut it twice or not on commercial. Its still solid regardless and to do it again is for other reasons which only make sense to the person who spec'd it. I would prefer to have solid cuts regardless because they dont require any more time to perform.

I under stand that your getting the required mil thickness in your 1 cut. 2 coats at the specified DFT not only gives you the intended mil per coat,
it gives you the intend mil thickness for the specified "coating system".

Also gives you the intended surface tension written in the contract.

I like your vids JP they are intended to show what you do, residential painting.

But the Thread is Cutting In. I'm just making it real on the commercial end. Not all commercial just 3rd party inspected Gov. jobs.

 

Thanks for all the input to my original question. I found the reads both very informative and entertaining. For Scott, I'm newer here, why do call Jack Brian? What is this alter ego. All I can think about is when Garth Brooks created an alter ego about ten years ago--Chris Gaines--and it was a total flop.

 

I'll let Jack explain to you how and why Brian created him, if one of them so chooses. :jester:

And, you have been a good sport in riding along on this thread as it has veered in and out of your original question. What was it again? :blink:

 

And, you have been a good sport in riding along on this thread as it has veered in and out of your original question. What was it again? :blink:

I liken this thread to Neil Degrasse Tyson and Carl Sagan arguing over what to classify Pluto as.

There both smarter than everyone here, debating about something neither can prove and nobody gives a $hit about

 

Actually, I am pretty sure there are some astronomy enthusiasts here.

 

C'mon guys please dont put Jack in a box!

 

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I train my painters to do a full first coat and a full second coat, regardless of color, product or sheen. That is what works best for us aesthetically and performance wise.

I like the first cut to establish the lines into the ceiling, so that the second coat ceiling cut can be held off from it by 1/16", and therefore it goes faster. I prefer the width of our cuts to not exceed much more than about two inches, because I don't like seeing brush texture on walls. Walls are to be rolled, and rolled tight into ceilings and trim. We finish trim in between first and second coat on walls (in new construction) and we get the most crisp finished lines by final cutting walls into ceilings and casings last, then cutting base into walls. We don't use very much tape as a result. We all prefer to brush over taping.

When guys do the big fat heavy cut, and then roll into it, there is that overlap of roller and brush which creates an effect called "Hat Banding". Its like having an extra coat where the two come together. It doesn't matter to some painters (or customers), but it matters to me. The texture issue is the fundamental pet peeve that has always kept me preferring the narrower width cut. The best brush guy on my crew describes it as the marriage between brush and roller on the wall.

It is a simple matter of work habits, and it seems that different painters and crews can have very different work habits. It does become muscle (and your eye is a muscle) memory after a while. Good habits stick. Bad habits are hard to break. Pick the good ones every time, even if it hurts your efficiency a bit while you develop them. Once developed, its automatic. This is how our painters are trained, and that is geared to the type of work we do, the service we deliver and our customer's expectations, all of which forms your reputation, which in turn is one of your most critical marketing and sales tools.

Ironically, it takes a little more time to spread less paint on critical cuts. It is easier to spread more paint fast than to spread less paint fast. It comes down to brush control. Our guys pretty quickly learn how to spread just the right amount of paint fast, which is in my opinion the ideal scenario because nothing ever looks sloppy from any angle, in natural or artificial light. That is one thing to keep in mind. If you are working in your customers home from 7-3:30, things will look completely different to them in artificial light at 10 pm. Cover all bases and avoid call backs.

This is the benefit of skipping no steps. Its a bigger picture mentality, but once you get it all working, its a good way.

 

Pluto is the 9th planet I don't care what they say.

 

Oh... that Pluto. :001_unsure:

 

hmmmm.

 

hmmmm.

Going for the lock?

 

Pluto?

 

Seems we're going through another cycle of bashing JP. Not like it's the first time, nor likely to be the last....and everybody survives them.

Jack has developed a system that works well for him. Is it for everybody? Maybe not. Don't we all have our own "systems" that work well for us? How many of us take the time to refine what we do? Or do we find ourselves doing it the same way day in and day out using the same equipment and products when at all possible?

I don't have an ax to grind with Jack. Truth be told, I enjoy reading some of his hands on reviews and watching a few of his vids. Even taken a few of his ideas and adapted them to fit my needs and techniques. But like everything else in life, it's a matter of taking what you can use and leaving the rest.....or you can just leave it all.

But I think there are more than a couple of members here who wouldn't mind spending a day or two on a jobsite with JP if for nothing else but to observe first hand.

 

Its just common from guys who cant achieve what I post and the claims I make but Im not going to hold hands here and explain everything in detail. I offer the component, parts, products... that should get anyone headed in the right direction. Thanks Wolf