dark wooden cabinets

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Z paint

Discussion Starter · Jan 29, 2008 (Edited)

i have to paint dark wooden cabinets white(only insides and frames they are getting new pre primed doors)...there is definately alot of tannin that might bleed through..it looks like its almost a composite of dark woods with llittle or no gloss..usually i would just use zinsser odorless oil primer or bin...what primer do u guys reccamend ...could i get away with somehing not as harsh because of the insides..has anyone ever used afm safecoat primers?

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slickshift

· #2 · Jan 29, 2008

I'd use Zinsser's Cover Stain, or if worried about bleed through with the darker stuff, or the quality of the substrate is questionable (cheap laminates etc.), I'd use Zinsser's BIN pigmented shellac

I've not used safecoa primers

I have used Insul-X no/low odor, and they would not be up to the task of blocking dark wood like this

Thepaintman

· #3 · Jan 29, 2008

We just finished some cabinets like yours. We used Zinsser 1-2-3 allowed this to dry then spot sprayed with Zinsser Cover Stain oil based primer where needed. On these cabinets we had more food stains than tanning so a good cleaning came first. LOL

EricTheHandyman

· #4 · Jan 29, 2008

I've had good luck with 1-2-3 or Ben Moore 023. These are both latex and may take 2-3 coats to completely seal the stains.

ProWallGuy

· #5 · Jan 29, 2008

I'd go with an oil primer. Why do 2 or more coats where one will suffice?

timhag

· #6 · Jan 29, 2008

I'd go with an oil primer also, always had positive outcomes when dealing with this type of situation.

EricTheHandyman

· #7 · Jan 29, 2008

ProWallGuy said:
I'd go with an oil primer. Why do 2 or more coats where one will suffice?

when the customer comes home from work and says "get that smelly *h*t out of my house, I don't care what it costs, use something with less odor," you get out the change order pad for the extra coats and material and run to the store for latex.

timhag

· #8 · Jan 29, 2008

EricTheHandyman said:
when the customer comes home from work and says "get that smelly *h*t out of my house, I don't care what it costs, use something with less odor," you get out the change order pad for the extra coats and material and run to the store for latex.

1 Never had a customer say such a thing
2 There is low odor oil based primers out there my brother.

Z paint

Discussion Starter · #9 · Jan 30, 2008

the oil primer i usually use(for mostly after wall paper removal)is Zinsser oderless oil primer....i think it will work fine but it always seems like it leaves huge brush marks..maybe ill add penetrol

Roadog

· #10 · Jan 30, 2008

A lot of tannin bleeding.......I'd go with a white shellac. (BIN) 2 coats.

Z paint

Discussion Starter · #11 · Jan 30, 2008

it sure would be nice if bin shellac or something else would work that would be less odor....i dont think bin comes in low odor right?

Roadog

· #12 · Jan 30, 2008

Actually there is a water base shellac.

http://www.homesteadfinishing.com/htdocs/targetcoatings.htm

DeanV

· #13 · Jan 30, 2008

Remember that odorless Zinnser is an acrylic resin in a solvent. That may affect its ability to block stains compared to regular coverstain.

painttofish

· #14 · Jan 30, 2008

Not sure if you were planning on spraying odorless zinnser or not but this stuff wouldn't atomize (spray) for me the last time I tried it. Just ropey lines. It says you can spray it on the back of the can but it wasn't happening. My paint rep said it was an issue he had herd of but had no answers for.:cursing:

DeanV

· #15 · Jan 30, 2008

Check the solids content on the odorless, it is in the 70+% by weight. That is a pretty hight solids content, so it makes sense that spraying with your regular tip size and pressure would be difficult.

slickshift

· #16 · Jan 30, 2008

I have never used an odorless/latex primer than could block brown stain
Good luck with that
I'm not against it, and theres new products out all the time
I've just used enough of them that didn't work well enough on dark stain to totally hose me
So I'm through with that

You want me to paint it, it's oil-based primer
Sorry about the smell, it'll go away soon enough

Z paint

Discussion Starter · #17 · Jan 31, 2008 (Edited)

i am talking about the oil odorless primes...i have sprayed it a couple of times and it does work but it sprays much different....i forget what kind of tip i used...but im still debating what kind of oil primer i will use

welovepainting

· #18 · Feb 6, 2008

I have noticed the oderless oil primer has to be almost as thin as water for it to spray. I use 3-10 or 3-11 tip

Z paint

Discussion Starter · #19 · Feb 7, 2008

i found out now that im only painting he insides because the are getting new doors....seems like its a super dark compposite type wood with no to little gloss

Kelly Painting

· #20 · Feb 7, 2008

Ben Moore oil.

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