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SW did have a price increase. Benjamin Moore did not increase their prices.
I'm not sure about PPG.
 

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I just met with my new SW rep today and I was not sold due to the fact that I've researched PPG, BM, SW, and Diamond Vogel. SW is losing me on their products every time they try to justify their prices.

P.S. PACman, what store did you own/work at when you were in the painting industry?
Also, what is your opinion on Diamond Vogel in the Midwest?
 

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Just got off the phone w a buddy of mine and he told me that they upped their prices on average of 5 - 6% effective 2020. Anyone else seeing that?


YES!! I was actually pissed last week after a supply run. A few hrs later I glanced @ my cc notification for the total charge n was shocked. Looked it up only to find my pricing has gone up....Called my rep but didn’t get very far.

Vista paint & BM will be gettin my business for awhile as I stew in my frustration....
 

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So had a meet w my rep last week. Asked him about price increases mentioned here. He said not by much 4-6% or so. That’s like a $1 on a $25 gal of paint. Look I know price increases stink but really, a $1? Not much to complain about. Easy to pass on to customer when bidding. BM HD Lowe’s and any other paint selling store will probably have the same increase at some point this year.

I did make sure to grind him nicely on my prices though for this year. Especially pointing out how irritating it is to pay more on some things(sundries) than normal people when there are sales. He understood. He said he would dial them in. That’s that! Ive got a great rep!


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Why is anyone surprised? BM jacked thier prices too. Get used to it. It's all relative. It will affect everyone equally.
 

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BM hasn't had a price increase since feb 2019.. yet anyway.
Was it a year ago already. lol. Time goes by so fast. I just remember everyone up in arms when they did. Just saying that prices are always going to go up

and there is no use in complaining about it as it will affect everyone equally..
 

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PPG and BM will both have price increases this year, ranging from 2-7% depending on product. Most independents will raise also, mostly because it is in line with the market. Rising cost of raw materials, as always, is the publicly promoted reason. If you only have SW in your market, good luck with negotiating pricing if you're not a 6 figure plus account. If your market has options, keep good relationships with all of them and pricing will reflect that at all stores.

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I just met with my new SW rep today and I was not sold due to the fact that I've researched PPG, BM, SW, and Diamond Vogel. SW is losing me on their products every time they try to justify their prices.

P.S. PACman, what store did you own/work at when you were in the painting industry?
Also, what is your opinion on Diamond Vogel in the Midwest?
Diamond Vogel was one of my favorite product lines. Have you used much of it yourself?
 

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I have only used Permacryl and have loved it thus far. It might need a little Floetrol in it to help the leveling but it is quite durable in eggshell.

Weird thing is they just redid all their signage and it looks sweet then a year or so later(two weeks ago) I hear rumors that some of the stores are closing down here in NE.
 

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I have only used Permacryl and have loved it thus far. It might need a little Floetrol in it to help the leveling but it is quite durable in eggshell.

Weird thing is they just redid all their signage and it looks sweet then a year or so later(two weeks ago) I hear rumors that some of the stores are closing down here in NE.
The main one on "L" Street is still open. I think some of the under-performing stores have been closed down. Can't remember if they had one in Blair or Fremont.
 

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I think it's the frequency of increases that chaps me. 4 - 5% isn't break-the-bank bad, but when they have 3 in less than 2 years, that's compounding. PPG & SW are one in the same. Once one announces an increase, the other doesn't want to leave money on the table, so they follow suit a few months later (most agreements call out 60 days notice for the paint manufacture to implement a price increase). BM won't have one until 2021. But that too is a bit misleading. BM, the manufacturer, will not have an increase until 2021. The dealers can charge whatever & whenever they want. That's why it's more important to have a solid relationship with the dealers. And when they are a few dollars higher, remember this thread when we all said it wasn't a big deal. I'd much rather my dollars go to the mom & pop stores. They're a dying breed.
 

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I have railed against this for years.
I generally support the local paint store when the choice is mine.

Competition is the cornerstone to Capitalism. SW feels like it is becoming a monopoly. I have often felt like they want to minimize the contractor, and reach the homeowner instead.

I do know that this thread is from back in January (though apparently now revived by the OP).
But I've been off of SW for a long time. One reason is just that I prefer BM paints pretty much all around.
But the other is that, SW had been pursuing - and continues to pursue - what is actually the oldest strategy in corporate capitalism. That strategy is not to be the best and out-compete others, but to control markets.

The thing about competition in capitalism is a myth. The best way to succeed is to eliminate competition. The best way to eliminate competition is to just use superior size of capital. This is the WalMart strategy, and the reason I put corporate in bold/ital. Our corporate laws, invented during the 19th century (while useful in many respects) were largely built to allow unlimited accumulation of capital.

I grew up in a small business family. One of those was lumber and building supply. I recall, quite vividly, during the 90s when things were going south, my father saying that Lowe's was selling things like plywood at retail below what he could buy for wholesale. The only difference? Volume (and collusion inside the industry). (Meaning size and capital - they were a small LLC rather than a publicly traded capital-pot).
People can placate themselves by talking about how great that is for consumers, but it doesn't work once you realize that small businesses and workers are also consumers.

SW is not a serious paint company. It's business logic is no different from that of the robber barons of "The Guilded Age" such as JP Morgan.
So it will raise prices wherever it has the market clout to do so.
 

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I remember back in the 90s there was a lot of choices in paint brands. In northern California you could easily get to Ben Moore, SW, Fuller Obrian, Dunn Edwards, Kelly Moore, Ameritone paints, Pitsburgh Paints, Sinclair, Devoe and some others I can't remember. Then ICI Paints came through for a few years and bought a lot of them and then disapeard and now we are left with Sherwin Williams and Kelly Moore and Ben Moore is a lot harder to find now.
 

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I have railed against this for years.
I generally support the local paint store when the choice is mine.

Competition is the cornerstone to Capitalism. SW feels like it is becoming a monopoly. I have often felt like they want to minimize the contractor, and reach the homeowner instead.

I do know that this thread is from back in January (though apparently now revived by the OP).
But I've been off of SW for a long time. One reason is just that I prefer BM paints pretty much all around.
But the other is that, SW had been pursuing - and continues to pursue - what is actually the oldest strategy in corporate capitalism. That strategy is not to be the best and out-compete others, but to control markets.

The thing about competition in capitalism is a myth. The best way to succeed is to eliminate competition. The best way to eliminate competition is to just use superior size of capital. This is the WalMart strategy, and the reason I put corporate in bold/ital. Our corporate laws, invented during the 19th century (while useful in many respects) were largely built to allow unlimited accumulation of capital.

I grew up in a small business family. One of those was lumber and building supply. I recall, quite vividly, during the 90s when things were going south, my father saying that Lowe's was selling things like plywood at retail below what he could buy for wholesale. The only difference? Volume (and collusion inside the industry). (Meaning size and capital - they were a small LLC rather than a publicly traded capital-pot).
People can placate themselves by talking about how great that is for consumers, but it doesn't work once you realize that small businesses and workers are also consumers.

SW is not a serious paint company. It's business logic is no different from that of the robber barons of "The Guilded Age" such as JP Morgan.
So it will raise prices wherever it has the market clout to do so.
Good post!

I have heard that Capitalism creates competition, which in the end benefits the customer. That may be a Pollyanna attitude.

I also wrote in an earlier post:

“...SW has been strategic about driving out competition.
I won't be too surprised when prices are gradually driven up proportional to their market share domination.”
 
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