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Enamel vs Lacquer for cabinets
Hello all, just wanted to know what everyone uses for cabinets. Why do you prefer the one or the other? Pros and cons of enamel vs lacquer for cabinets. Durability and protection are mainly at what I’m curious about.
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Using Envirolak polyurethane for cabinets. They have a w/b primer that you can add a hardener too for massive adhesion to old finishes, better than BIN.
Better than BIN?! Will definitely look into that 👍🏻 Always good to hear from you Mike.Using Envirolak polyurethane for cabinets. They have a w/b primer that you can add a hardener too for massive adhesion to old finishes, better than BIN.
I used to use PPG 250 breakthrough but we've been using scuff-x lately. Breakthrough is great but for me the spraying is quite a bit easier with the scuff X, mostly just less runny..ive been curious about some of the newer 2k waterborne stuff but havent tried yet. A cabinet maker i know told me they've pretty much tried it all and prefer the breakthrough even over the 2k's, partly due to some of the accessibility being a bit of a PITA.
Its the 170 primer, then you add the hardener. You don't have to, but its premium adhesion on old coatings like BIN. W/B too.Better than BIN?! Will definitely look into that 👍🏻 Always good to hear from you Mike.
How does it sand ?Its the 170 primer, then you add the hardener. You don't have to, but its premium adhesion on old coatings like BIN. W/B too.
I used Breakthrough! 250 for a few years for my custom cabinet business. The local PPG dealer could not survive the Covid 19 pandemic business loss and closed. So I switched to Benjamin Moore's Advance. It sprays out nice and I particularly like the satin finish. But it does not seem to cure as hard as the Breakthrough! Is it my imagination? Or should I drive the extra 30 miles to get the Breakthrough!?I used to use PPG 250 breakthrough but we've been using scuff-x lately. Breakthrough is great but for me the spraying is quite a bit easier with the scuff X, mostly just less runny..ive been curious about some of the newer 2k waterborne stuff but havent tried yet. A cabinet maker i know told me they've pretty much tried it all and prefer the breakthrough even over the 2k's, partly due to some of the accessibility being a bit of a PITA.
I would note that the other dealer of Breakthrough! has a four gallon minimum and sometimes that is more than I want to buy. The PPG dealer will sell me exactly the amount I need. Also there is a 2 week wait to get Breakthough 250. Breakthrough 50 is available from stock, but is not recommended for cabinet work.
Have your BM dealer get you some corotech commandI used Breakthrough! 250 for a few years for my custom cabinet business. The local PPG dealer could not survive the Covid 19 pandemic business loss and closed. So I switched to Benjamin Moore's Advance. It sprays out nice and I particularly like the satin finish. But it does not seem to cure as hard as the Breakthrough! Is it my imagination? Or should I drive the extra 30 miles to get the Breakthrough!?
I would note that the other dealer of Breakthrough! has a four gallon minimum and sometimes that is more than I want to buy. The PPG dealer will sell me exactly the amount I need. Also there is a 2 week wait to get Breakthough 250. Breakthrough 50 is available from stock, but is not recommended for cabinet work.
Will it level like the Advance? Is there any issue spraying with HVLP equipment? I am not a painter by trade. I am a custom cabinet maker who supplies painted cabinets to customers. (Though some will paint them on-site after installation).corotech command
For that reason I like to learn how to use one type of finish and stick with it. I only changed from Breakthrough! because the vendor went out of business. I like the appearance of Advance satin better than Breakthrough!, but it does seem softer than Breakthrough!.
I will check with my B-M dealer (which is a very large hardware store with several branches and not a paint-specific vendor) and see if they can get the Corotech Command. Some of the satellite stores are paint specific but still, not as knowledgeable as the PPG dealer used to be.
Thanks for the information.
Its not available everywhere yet due to VOC laws. No issue spraying HVLP, its ready to spray out of the can depending on your equipment. It levels nicely and hardens up light years faster than advance. Also I prefer cabinetcoat over advance. If I want to use a slow drying product like advance I would just use the real thing ie impervo and not a water based imitation.Will it level like the Advance? Is there any issue spraying with HVLP equipment? I am not a painter by trade. I am a custom cabinet maker who supplies painted cabinets to customers. (Though some will paint them on-site after installation).
For that reason I like to learn how to use one type of finish and stick with it. I only changed from Breakthrough! because the vendor went out of business. I like the appearance of Advance satin better than Breakthrough!, but it does seem softer than Breakthrough!.
I will check with my B-M dealer (which is a very large hardware store with several branches and not a paint-specific vendor) and see if they can get the Corotech Command. Some of the satellite stores are paint specific but still, not as knowledgeable as the PPG dealer used to be.
Thanks for the information.
My local dealer carries Corrotech Command. They only have 2 gallons of satin in stock but all the gloss I could want. And they have more satin on order.
I will stop by and pickup a gallon and do a side by side comparison with the Advance in the same tint. It should be interesting.
I will stop by and pickup a gallon and do a side by side comparison with the Advance in the same tint. It should be interesting.
Great product. Give it a quick light sand after the first coat dries. I was getting some fine pinholeing on my second coat but it stopped when I started scuffing it up a little before the second coat.My local dealer carries Corrotech Command. They only have 2 gallons of satin in stock but all the gloss I could want. And they have more satin on order.
I will stop by and pickup a gallon and do a side by side comparison with the Advance in the same tint. It should be interesting.
I like Kem Aqua Plus (the plus is important). It is fast drying and smooth like lacquer without the smells and holds up better to water exposure.
Usually for me it’s always a good bet to do a light sand, coat with stix primer and use Cabinet Coat as a top coat. This set up is ideal for already semi polyurethaned cabinet and for when you don’t want to go to town on the sanding.
Yes the advance is a very slow drying and curing product. I have not tried the Command yet, but my understanding is that supposed to be very similar to Breakthrough 250. My local dealer recently got some in and I'm excited to try it out. If Coco recommends it that's alwsys a good sign..I used Breakthrough! 250 for a few years for my custom cabinet business. The local PPG dealer could not survive the Covid 19 pandemic business loss and closed. So I switched to Benjamin Moore's Advance. It sprays out nice and I particularly like the satin finish. But it does not seem to cure as hard as the Breakthrough! Is it my imagination? Or should I drive the extra 30 miles to get the Breakthrough!?
I would note that the other dealer of Breakthrough! has a four gallon minimum and sometimes that is more than I want to buy. The PPG dealer will sell me exactly the amount I need. Also there is a 2 week wait to get Breakthough 250. Breakthrough 50 is available from stock, but is not recommended for cabinet work.
Just used 20 gallons for exterior doors on a motel in ruby red. Its not a fussy product like breakthrough either, it sprays easy from hvlp or airlessYes the advance is a very slow drying and curing product. I have not tried the Command yet, but my understanding is that supposed to be very similar to Breakthrough 250. My local dealer recently got some in and I'm excited to try it out. If Coco recommends it that's alwsys a good sign..
I've sprayed a few things with the new "Command", but found it very fussy. Got a lot of fish eyes. It doesn't seem to play well with BIN. Better over the Stix. I was was all excited about the Stock black, but when I rolled a test sample it dried with a very course texture/chunkies or something. Super weird. Which is too bad, because I was really looking forward to it. And for the OP, spraying with lacquers is a whole different ball game. Assuming your talking traditional lacquer. Either way, it would be spray application only. So keep that in mind. Also will have a maximum film thickness. I still use Advance because it's just so damn easy to use and basically all I can get around here...Hopefully Command works out all the little bugs.
Ive only used bronzetone and a deep base red, didn't experience any fisheye. I dont use BIN for hardly anything in fact I don't even carry it in my store.I've sprayed a few things with the new "Command", but found it very fussy. Got a lot of fish eyes. It doesn't seem to play well with BIN. Better over the Stix. I was was all excited about the Stock black, but when I rolled a test sample it dried with a very course texture/chunkies or something. Super weird. Which is too bad, because I was really looking forward to it. And for the OP, spraying with lacquers is a whole different ball game. Assuming your talking traditional lacquer. Either way, it would be spray application only. So keep that in mind. Also will have a maximum film thickness. I still use Advance because it's just so damn easy to use and basically all I can get around here...Hopefully Command works out all the little bugs.
I read the press release from B-M. It says it can be rolled, brushed, or sprayed; it had tenacious (their word) adhesion and no primer is required; it goes over metal, wood, concrete and resin (platic); it is indoor and outdoor approved and can be used for flooring paint and it can be applied in temperatures to 30 degrees Farhenheit. In other words, it can do everything everywhere under every condition (maybe it can take care of my plumbing problems too.).
I'm always a bit leery of any product that makes overly broad claims (sounds like a snake oil salesman), but based on recommendations here I have bought one gallon and I will try it later this week.
Thanks for the input.
I'm always a bit leery of any product that makes overly broad claims (sounds like a snake oil salesman), but based on recommendations here I have bought one gallon and I will try it later this week.
Thanks for the input.
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