[thepainterr4you]

I have a job just need to give him a price I have no idea never priced an exterior job here is what it is

1 side of home to be painted 40 deep 2 sories polus roof peek so about 3 stories...is chipping so will need a good scraping and power washing

3 decks staining floor and sealing spindals and rails
40x10
2 that are 20x8

price only labor equipment is being provided seing owners father owns a hardware store

any help would be appreciated

 

[DelW]

Timhag will be along shortly to point you in the right direction.:whistling2:

 

[dincao]

when you go out to price a job you really need to start thinking how many days plus men its going to take you to complete..start with prep=3 men 3 days to scrape, sand,and pressure wash..fiqure how much you bill out per day per man plus profit and you have your pricing for prep... there is no way for me to tell you how long its going to take your crew to complete...there is no set pricing because each residental repaint is different...If you are new to painting exteriors then this is the easiest way to price...the same goes for painting the body, trim, decks, fiqure how many men, days, plus profit and you have your price... there will be a learning curve the first couple jobs that you do but you will then be able to find out your production rates so you can charge next time..another reason that there is no set pricing is because i have no ideaif you are power sanding, just scraping and hand sand, painting by brush, roller or spraying, how many coats...So my advice is to fiqure out your day rate and give price...

 

[bikerboy]

Try this:
http://www.painttalk.com/showthread.php?t=394&highlight=pricing

or go here:
http://www.painttalk.com/search.php

 

[Rich]

between 2-4k
now it's up to you to crunch numbers to get it exact

good luck

 

[dincao]

just curious based on richs #'s numbers 2-4k to paint and scrape entire house plus three decks-- is it the entire house??? and my point exactly on how you cant ask someone to price your job because it will never be right...pretty cheap price rich if its the entire house you can sub for me any time!!!

 

[The paint whisperer]

Divide and conquer.
Make sure you give yourself some extra room... If you new to exterior,
it may take longer than your initial estimate.
Good luck

 

[Rich]

1 side of home to be painted

I know there are so many factors here
but I also know he's not charging top rate since he has no exterior experience
he has 0% material/supply costs

seems profitable to me, just wanted to give the guy an idea, since I figured everyone would be playing it safe and telling him to figure it out himself, which he obviously has no idea about (hence his post)

 

[dincao]

:confused1: =:thumbsup: sorry rich if your price was based on 1 side!!

 

[timhag]

Try this:
http://www.painttalk.com/showthread.php?t=394&highlight=pricing

or go here:
http://www.painttalk.com/search.php

:boxing::boxing::boxing::boxing::boxing: :boxing:

 

[Rich]

look at him like your apprentice Tim, lol...he's just trying to be like his master

 

[timhag]

look at him like your apprentice Tim, lol...he's just trying to be like his master

:laughing:

 

[dincao]

Just curious here if he can't fiqure out how many days and how much he wants to charge he shouldnt be in business...also if he has worked for someone before starting his own business and was actually a painter there is no reason he can not fiqure that out HOW MANY MEN-HOW MANY DAYS-HOW MUCH TO CHARGE PER MAN PER DAY, SOUNDS PRETTY SIMPLE TO ME...AND IF HE HAS NO IDEA HOW MUCH TO CHARGE PER DAY I'M SURE HE CAN USE HIS SALARY W/ HIS OLD BOSS AS A MEASURING STICK AND THEN ADD MARKUP...unless he woke up and said gee i want to be a painter and i have no idea what to do then i would suggest he go work for a company and learn the business OR GO BACK TO SCHOOL....

 

[bikerboy]

look at him like your apprentice Tim, lol...he's just trying to be like his master

One can only hope to stand in the shadow of his greatness...

:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

 

[Brian]

Just curious here if he can't fiqure out how many days and how much he wants to charge he shouldnt be in business...also if he has worked for someone before starting his own business and was actually a painter there is no reason he can not fiqure that out HOW MANY MEN-HOW MANY DAYS-HOW MUCH TO CHARGE PER MAN PER DAY, SOUNDS PRETTY SIMPLE TO ME...AND IF HE HAS NO IDEA HOW MUCH TO CHARGE PER DAY I'M SURE HE CAN USE HIS SALARY W/ HIS OLD BOSS AS A MEASURING STICK AND THEN ADD MARKUP...unless he woke up and said gee i want to be a painter and i have no idea what to do then i would suggest he go work for a company and learn the business OR GO BACK TO SCHOOL....

While I agree that he should have a better idea about what he is doing, using his old salary is way, way off base.

His price needs to be based on his costs, not what someone else paid him. The two have no bearing on one another. Not to be rude, but that type of thinking is why so few paint contractors make it. They don't know their true cost of doing business, so they try to find some shortcut. The truth is, the shortcut will only make them broke that much quicker.

Brian Phillips

 

[vermontpainter]

And there begins the vicious cycle...he is new. Assumes he has no costs, especially with the homeowner supplying everything. I guess its good that he asks what others would charge, but irrelevant what others would charge.

This one is a small enough job that he will probably leave with his shirt still on. What worries me far more is that not only is this the first exterior he has priced, but in another thread he is pricing his first new construction.

 

[Joewho]

Between 2800-3300, labor only.


Assuming spot priming and paint for the one side, also assuming the side is a gable end and not the front of the house.

Learn as you go, do your research and if you have to, do more work that you figured.

If you worked for someone else, then you have an idea of how it goes. Just make sure you do good work and don't get called back. You'll be fine.

Everyone has to start somewhere. Either do it hands on, or do it from behind a book, just do it.

 

[dincao]

HEY BIG BRI--- if you read all my posts you will see that given that he has no idea on what to charge i gave him a simple guide to estimating, based on the fact the ho is supplying everything except labor..So in trying to find this out and fiquring hes not jumping into this w/out having any experience at all, he could if all else fails was stuck on finding out a price based on how many men, how many days it would take to complete... that he could use his per day salary(plus his markup)from his old employer..So if he was making for expample 200 per day w/ his old boss then he could charge to complete in 4 days @ 3men =$2400.00(labor only) plus his markup which would take into consideration his operating costs and profit....oh by the way brian have re-invented the wheel on how to charge for labor???

 

[dincao]

oh yeah brian its not my responsibility to factoring in all his other costs for operating a business, he is trying to fiqure out how much in labor it will cost to complete project, this is paint talk and if you want to give him a free seminar on how to run his business then that will probably help him Out Of The Bucket!!!!

 

[thepainterr4you]

estimate

I have done exterior painting but not on my own my idea was about 1750 I have not ever priced a exterior job myself. I know what I need to make to survive. I am not looking to get rich...YET... I am looking to provide great service at a good price to get my name out.

decks are all ground level so that makes things alot easier

this is estimating 7-8 days work for 1 person.

As far as new copntsruction... I have done many jobs working in interior painting. THis is my first one on my own... I am getting paid the same as any othe rpinter would on this job. I have painted for years for my father seing he is a contractor. The new construction I am doing is for him there is no rush at all to get it done that is why he is letting me do it.. He knows it will be a learning experiance and it will take me a while.

I am not looking to get rich I am looking to learn more and more everyday

thanks for the help i am just looking poimters i have done for years just not on my own.

I am doing anything that is oevr my head... I only take the jobs that I knwo I can handle and learn on