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...antimicrobial paints....
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....ha....ha.....ha..........
whew....

Yeah just add some MicroBan along with the Insulating Ceramic Additive and it will bring you wealth, protect you from Vampires, and cure your Erectial Dysfunction too

...sorry...that's just too freakin funny

Anyway...yeah...there's a few out there
...but it's a marketing thing though, if you haven't guessed my take on it at this point
California Paints sprinkles some Microban into vats of a few of their lines (including thier ceramic line :thumbsup:)

California Paint is sometimes hard to find, but should be available in somewhere in FLA

*A Massachusetts company btw
Started as a coatings company for Raytheon to paint the bombs and stuff.
Cali being at the cutting edge of aerospace/military-industrial at the time (Cold War), they thought the name might lend some street cred.
For some reason people don't think of Massachusetts when they think of nuclear bombs.
 

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Oh..yeah..."anti-microbial" has nothing to do with being "green"
Low-/Ultra-low-/No- VOC "green" paints is a different animal
That's another story
And there are some decent products out there
 

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OK, THIS is getting interesting now...

Since they've found critters thriving in deep undersea volcanic vents, and other virus alive in the chlorine used to sterilize petri dishes in labs,

I'd like to hear more about anti-microbial paint.

I'm sure something is better for hospitals and surgical rooms.
Never done that sort of work, myself.
But it sounds interesting.
 

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Oh..yeah..."anti-microbial" has nothing to do with being "green"
Low-/Ultra-low-/No- VOC "green" paints is a different animal
That's another story
And there are some decent products out there
Slick, what are the green paints you have found that you like. I have used BM Ecospec and SW Harmony but didn't really care for them. I don't have access to Cali paints here but I can get SW,BM,Porter,Prat&lambert,Pittsburgh,Devoe,Graham and some locals. Anyone find a low or preferably zero voc that performs well?
 

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Slick, what are the green paints you have found that you like. I have used BM Ecospec and SW Harmony but didn't really care for them. I don't have access to Cali paints here but I can get SW,BM,Porter,Prat&lambert,Pittsburgh,Devoe,Graham and some locals. Anyone find a low or preferably zero voc that performs well?
I don't like EcoSpec either...at all
The Aura is an Ultra-Low I like
It's a little learning curve I suppose, but not much
You can paint in the afternoon and put the baby to bed that night with no worries
There is a slight (pleasant) smell while painting that's gone in an hour or less
I've not used Harmony
 

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Painttofish,
be aware that low odor and low voc do not mean that you can put your baby to bed that night in the room. It takes years for the toxins to be released from paint. VOC's are only the tip of the Iceberg, carcinogens and other toxins are present in these products as well. If you want a true "Green" paint or Toxin free paint try Mythic. We manufacture NON-TOXIC paint, that is more durable than conventional latex paints. oderless, safe, and durable, same coverage and familiar application. Its a no brainer.

Our Semi has antimicrobial charachteristics as well. The thing about antimicrobial is active vrs inactive. There are products that eat microbes and products that are "resistant" to microbes. each have there own downfall, and it wont be apparent looking at a can what your getting.
Keir
 

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I take anti-microbial paints with a grain of salt. I also don't care about being 'green'. I find it ironic that we have gotten rid of bad bad bad lead based solvent paints. And yet I go on jobs - and people are hyped over chemicals and their children - even though I am using the generally perceived safter latex paints. I couldn't even clean my brushes at on customer's home. Yet - the fact she had an inch of cat fur tucked away under her baseboards along with the dander and mouse **** - that was ok.
 

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Most 'anti-microbial' paints are made by simply adding very small amounts of products like Amerstat 251, Skane M-8, Triclosan, etc. (there is too many to list) to regular paint.

As far as 'green' paint is concerned... what Mythic said is spot on...
 

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Plainpainter...

The animal people are really something, aren't they?

We bagged a cathouse prior to prep and paint, did a nice job, and got cat hair on the brand new paintwork when we pulled up our masking *#&@!
HUGE 18" long clumps hanging down off the fan blades when we dropped the bag #*&@! *#&@!

Oh well.
 

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It is not the only Zero VOC paint. Mythic is also Non-Toxic, there is a big difference. for starters Mythic has no Carcinogens. Most importantly after composition is performance. Mythic is a true premium brand, and has the durability that the others dont. Vegas doesnt have a dealer yet, you can call the hotline on the webpage and order direct. Any color, 0% toxic, 100% safe. If you have a favorite dealer in Vegas, let me know, I'll get them set up.
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Don't waste time on me, I'm a one man operation. But I am wanting to know more about mythic and green paints in general.

I checked the GS site for a list of gs-11 paints. What I could find was incomplete. Is GS the universal standard? Or is there a better way to research?

The only paint I saw at the GS site was BM. No Mythic, DE, SW or any others. Could you point me in the right direction?

I think there's plenty of room in Vegas for a Green paint co. or two. Benjamine moore products are hard to get here. Lots of SW stores, DE, ICI etc. I'm a SW man, but haven't even paid attention to green paints until recently.:blush:

Thanks
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Is there really anything that is truely "GREEN"? Here is what I mean by this question...

To be 100% green both the product itself and the way it is produced has to be green! We all know that certain parts of the paints such as the pigments have to be mined which takes equipment that produced pollutents into the atmosphere which in my mind would make it not green.

Now the product may be 0 VOC but in order to make it was not. Is that product still green? This question is kinda like talking politics.

Personally I use in my business Faux Effects Setcoat which has been approved for use in CA since 1995 as a near 0 VOC product which actually smells good and goes on much smoother than any paint I have ever used.

GREEN is just a term that is too widley used and easily misunderstood. Most people that request it are trying to be responsible using a product that is good for the envirorment "or is it"???:no: :yes: That question will be better answered in about 5 mores years!!!
 

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Mythic,

Do you have a dealer in the Tampa/Orlando area? I will try it even though I am really set on SetCoat which is both non toxic and now 0 VOC. What is the cost per gallon? I pay $58 per gallon for Setcoat:eek:
 

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First to JoeWho,
GS is a difficult thing to explain, they have standards that are far below ours. The lower their standards the more companies fit in their relm and the more dues they get. I am not against GS, just weary of their ability to remain imparsial. We infact have a product line that is approved by GS "American Pride Paint". I hope that their standards raise and they become more mainstream, but most consumers dont know them. Most compainies do not look for their approval because of these reasons. Mythic was never submitted for GS, we have a different marketing strategy for this line. There are about 20 different "Independent" companies that are trying to standardize green, but it is unclear who will prevail. More likely the gvt will set some rules in the future.

Foil,
you have opened pandoras box with the truly green discussion. Its similar to the MArtha Stewart and her sweat shops she knew nothing about. The easiest answer is that its all getting better, but even when the delivery truck brings it to your local store, there are emmisions from the truck that count against the products. We strive to be as close as possible to environmentally clean, we are concious of the issues and always looking for alternatives. That is why we have taken a stance with the confusion of "green" and "VOC's". Those confusing terms (to most) dont mean to much and they imply but do not gaurantee anything. We went straight to the point, "Non Toxic" period. There are health concerns besides environmental ones that are not covered by VOC's or "green". Anyone know what a carcinogen is?
As for Tampa, I know we are talking to a few dealers in the area, I will keep you posted, in the mean time save yourself a few dollars and call us up for a direct shipment. number on the website, prices range from 39-45 a gallon.
 

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Look unless you are Amish you are not doing it green. That does not make any of these companies trying to be bad. Green is the newest trend in what I call "Trend Scams". Companies wanting to jump on board to the "GREEN TRAIN" brag there products up as green and then have them promoted by companies that they pay to say that it is green per todays standards. Lets be real, we are not going to go back to the days of old where we rode horses and mined, trapped and had the pony express. Personally I love my Escalade but I drive a 2001 Pontiac Sunfire to work as every little bit helps. IMO where we should start is tougher emmision restrictions and pull people driving the cars, trucks and SUVs off the road that do not meet the guidlines. CA should not be one of the only states with these tough restrictions.
Back on the GREEN TRAIN, while there are better products out there that meet guidlines I think that the product should loose LEEDS points for the manufacturing and transportation. While distributorship makes it easier to get no matter if you buy 1 gallon of a product or 500 at some point a truck had to be started and ran down the road whether it is UPS or Conway transport. The real problem to me is 2 things: 1. Dont start a green product FAD when they have no plan on how to prove it is green. 2. Just because it is the newest FAD dont upcharge it to the point that no one can afford it. Pro Classic cost $29.99 a gallon which SW new Green paint is $40+ gallon. I have used them both and let me say my customers have no clue! They just use my direct honesty to determine what I am using.

Here is a green product:

Tomato seed - planted in your yard
No use of pestisides
Water - Recycled rain water.
Once ripe, walk to the plant, pick it and walk it back in the house and clean it with filtered rain water and eat it!

Then again where did the seed come from? See now we start all back over again!!! LOL:blink:
 

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Look unless you are Amish you are not doing it green. That does not make any of these companies trying to be bad. Green is the newest trend in what I call "Trend Scams". Companies wanting to jump on board to the "GREEN TRAIN" brag there products up as green and then have them promoted by companies that they pay to say that it is green per todays standards. Lets be real, we are not going to go back to the days of old where we rode horses and mined, trapped and had the pony express. Personally I love my Escalade but I drive a 2001 Pontiac Sunfire to work as every little bit helps. IMO where we should start is tougher emmision restrictions and pull people driving the cars, trucks and SUVs off the road that do not meet the guidlines. CA should not be one of the only states with these tough restrictions.
Back on the GREEN TRAIN, while there are better products out there that meet guidlines I think that the product should loose LEEDS points for the manufacturing and transportation. While distributorship makes it easier to get no matter if you buy 1 gallon of a product or 500 at some point a truck had to be started and ran down the road whether it is UPS or Conway transport. The real problem to me is 2 things: 1. Dont start a green product FAD when they have no plan on how to prove it is green. 2. Just because it is the newest FAD dont upcharge it to the point that no one can afford it. Pro Classic cost $29.99 a gallon which SW new Green paint is $40+ gallon. I have used them both and let me say my customers have no clue! They just use my direct honesty to determine what I am using.

Here is a green product:

Tomato seed - planted in your yard
No use of pestisides
Water - Recycled rain water.
Once ripe, walk to the plant, pick it and walk it back in the house and clean it with filtered rain water and eat it!

Then again where did the seed come from? See now we start all back over again!!! LOL:blink:
Screw it then,
unless the utopian is reached, we all have an excuse to be irresponsible?
You can only do what you are able to do, and then a bit more.
I think Mythic has the right idea and likely responsible practices
 
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