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Lately I have been noticing that this excellent site is growing by the day. Not just in terms of member numbers, but also guests. So I have started checking the numbers when I log in. It seems that usually there are 2, 3 sometimes 4 guests for every member logged in. We sometimes refer to them as "lurkers" in jest.

I bring this to light because over the past month or two, as Painttalk.com has gained visibility, we have seen a wider and much more diverse demographic of members come through, which is great for the site. This forum would not need to exist if everyone here held the same beliefs and practices. Along with that has come every range of character that you can possibly imagine from the paint community as a whole, and some that have been screened out by the moderators as in fact not having anything to do with the paint community.

However, in the mix of some of this diversity, from time to time there are threads started by new members who apparently have yet to digest the generally high level of professionialism exuded by just about every regular (and by that I mean daily or weekly contributor). Some of these folks roll in and start a thread that pushes the boundaries of what is generally considered to be respectable and professional behavior. Those of us who are regulars and value this incredible resource work very hard to maintain its integrity. And so the stone throwing goes...

A fellow member pointed out last week that this is a public forum. Your customers may be among the thousand weekly "lurkers". They may have been googling around for paint info, found you linked up to painttalk and came on in to see how you contribute to a professional forum. Lets hope they didnt go to the thread where you were brainstorming ways to push the boundaries of business ethics. Lets hope they saw the part where you disagreed with the person heading down the shady path. Someone had a post where they said its ok to "play games" in business, as long as its not with the customer. Someone else said its not ok period.

I would prefer to think that the customers all around the country (and world) who give us the opportunity to work in their homes for extended periods of time would be disappointed at the thought of hiring a professional who is not professional on all fronts. That would be a difficult relationship to retain. One of our most respected members has an article on his site describing the market as arbitor. Let us not forget that marketing goes beyond your advertising, it encompasses all manner in which you present yourself as a professional, including this forum.

Once in a while, one of those drive by hit and run posters will comment that we take this site too seriously. Well, yes, through this site we have the power and ability to communicate, share information, and network with non-competing professionals from all over the world. With great power comes great responsibility. Thanks to Nathan and the Mods for keeping this site clean and on target, and filtering out as much of the background noise as possible.
 

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Thanks to Nathan and the Mods for keeping this site clean and on target, and filtering out as much of the background noise as possible.

I agree with you in your comments as a whole vermontpainter.

And also, thank you Nathan and Mods... I know your position. Keep it up! :thumbsup:


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Scott,

Best post I've read in a long time . . . I could not agree more that we must conduct ourselves at all times like our customers are watching . . . They just may be! I don't believe you can fake professionalism nor turn it on and off like a light switch, at least not for any extended period of time. You are either a true professioal or you are not. This board is overwhelmingly filled with true pros.

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Scott,

Very good post.

Someone (I wish I could remember who) once said that the true test of character is not what you do in public, but what you do when you think nobody is looking.

Truth be told, if you are dishonest when nobody is looking you will likely be dishonest when people are looking--if you think you can get away with it.

That's why honesty and integrity are so valuabe-- those who practice those virtues don't try to get away with anything. Their life, their business, and their "story" are consistent.

Thanks Scott.

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Vermont Man Scott

Scott--

Pleeeze tell those guys in D.C.. We're in one helluva a mess because the people running the show have absolutely no integrity. And that wealthy client who just gave you your meal for the day, is one rat sob who sold his mother out to the last contributor of a few thousand dollars.

It is no wonder this country is heading for disaster. I am gonna send your post to C-span!

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Scott--

that wealthy client who just gave you your meal for the day, is one rat sob who sold his mother out to the last contributor of a few thousand dollars.

It is no wonder this country is heading for disaster. I am gonna send your post to C-span!

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JTP

Not sure if this is cynicism or sarcasm. Either way, I would not refer to my client base that way (even jokingly), nor is it either of our place to assess the origin of the dollars with which we are compensated. We are painters, and in the grand scheme, pretty small potatoes.

I didn't intend to put a world view in place with this thread. Just a little editorial heads up that some may appreciate. I don't think its practical sometimes to apply the concepts we discuss here to politics or religion, but lately that is becoming a trend.
 

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JTP

Not sure if this is cynicism or sarcasm. Either way, I would not refer to my client base that way (even jokingly), nor is it either of our place to assess the origin of the dollars with which we are compensated. We are painters, and in the grand scheme, pretty small potatoes.

I didn't intend to put a world view in place with this thread. Just a little editorial heads up that some may appreciate. I don't think its practical sometimes to apply the concepts we discuss here to politics or religion, but lately that is becoming a trend.
Scott-- My comment here is both cynical and skeptical. I shall dispense with the philosophy for now. It is not a topic with much practical application to the painting trade. No doubt we are small potatoes and you rightfully point out where our paydays originate has no practical relevance either. Biting the hand that feeds, well that is NOT the way to grow any business. I shall move off the cynacism for now.

Good response -- and tactful my friend.

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Good post Scott. I think it is tough to relate to other companies on the "internet" without knowing their intentions or backround. Getting into battles over ethics, politics, religion or professionalism will never be pretty on a public internet forum. There are a handful of posters here I look for when I log on....you, PressurePros, Brian, ProWallGuy, (sometimes TimHag) and a few others provide some good reading and remind me that I have alot to learn about business. There are also many negative posters here that help to make the cream rise to the top. Some are too stuck in their ways to be taught and believe that by cutting others they show some type of intelligence. Then there a few that make quick negative posts to cause some controversy for a couple of days. I enjoy reading all of them and I think it is fairly obvoius who the legitimate contractors are who have valuable information to contribute and who is making us look good..... P.S. ...I'm still waitin' for my Beer!
 

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Just one note, probably half of the visitors your seeing are search engine spiders (also called bots) indexing the site.

Keeping everyone professional is a hard task on these sites but we try our best. A closed site isn't really an option since it leads to no growth and many of you would have never found the site if it was closed.
 

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A closed site isn't really an option since it leads to no growth and many of you would have never found the site if it was closed.
Very, very true Nathan.

Diversity is the spice of life (so they say), however Scott has described really well what many of us want the site to be and why. In a lot of ways the enviroments / communities we want to live in have the same reflections.

Its a great forum guys :thumbsup:
 
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