[tsunamicontract]

Intentionally trying to open up another can of worms here, but I just talked to a HO today that said they had gotten a quote for getting their old, peeling wood siding ripped off and getting it vinyled, including the fancy plastic window trim. The siders wanted about $4k for the job. I would have needed at least $6k to paint it. Why would anyone in their right mind go with repainting if they can get new siding for less? I assumed that vinyl would have cost 10 times as much (especially since it is made out of oil). Maybe Brian has some insight? Or anyone else?

 

[painttofish]

Intentionally trying to open up another can of worms here, but I just talked to a HO today that said they had gotten a quote for getting their old, peeling wood siding ripped off and getting it vinyled, including the fancy plastic window trim. The siders wanted about $4k for the job. I would have needed at least $6k to paint it. Why would anyone in their right mind go with repainting if they can get new siding for less? I assumed that vinyl would have cost 10 times as much (especially since it is made out of oil). Maybe Brian has some insight? Or anyone else?

People in there right mind wouldn't get vinyl siding. At that price I would be more worried if I were the vinyl siders.

 

[daArch]

Intentionally trying to open up another can of worms here, but I just talked to a HO today that said they had gotten a quote for getting their old, peeling wood siding ripped off and getting it vinyled, including the fancy plastic window trim. The siders wanted about $4k for the job. I would have needed at least $6k to paint it. Why would anyone in their right mind go with repainting if they can get new siding for less? I assumed that vinyl would have cost 10 times as much (especially since it is made out of oil). Maybe Brian has some insight? Or anyone else?

tsunami, (can I call you Tidalwave <G>)

You ARE in rare form today. When my father or father in law (both, I hope, are at Heavens 19th hole) spouted off like this, we would attribute it to "Gin Belligerence"

)

But seriously, we (you) can not compete with vinyl/beer can siding. We (you) are painters. We (you) have an established market that should be nurtured. Fergetaboutit. Stick to your game plan. Don't worry about that which you can not affect. Move next door to the HO who thinks his neighbor is a wacko for encasing his home in plastic or recycled beer cans.

We need only to catch enough fish to feed us, we don't need to catch 'em all.

 

[timhag]

tsunami, (can I call you Tidalwave <G>)

You ARE in rare form today. When my father or father in law (both, I hope, are at Heavens 19th hole) spouted off like this, we would attribute it to "Gin Belligerence"

)

But seriously, we (you) can not compete with vinyl/beer can siding. We (you) are painters. We (you) have an established market that should be nurtured. Fergetaboutit. Stick to your game plan. Don't worry about that which you can not affect. Move next door to the HO who thinks his neighbor is a wacko for encasing his home in plastic or recycled beer cans.

We need only to catch enough fish to feed us, we don't need to catch 'em all.

Couldn't of said it any better.
There is a Painting/Siding company working two doors from my house.(I just moved here at the begining of the month) He is installing siding and painting the trim. He has no worries on this topic...........lol

 

[painttofish]

tsunami, (can I call you Tidalwave <G>)


We need only to catch enough fish to feed us, we don't need to catch 'em all.

Umm, we need to catch them all..... We just need to practice catch and release!!:yes:

 

[tsunamicontract]

great, I start a thread about vinyl siding and google ads are right on it . . .
I personally hate vinyl, cant stand the look of it or how it symbolizes fakeness. Can I call it Faux siding? But from a home owners perspective ( I still love how they get abbreviated as HOs), vinyl and its "maintenance free" self makes so much more sense. Does anyone else feel like they are loosing bids to vinyl?
Tomorrow I am going to try and steal one away . . .

 

[greensboro84]

It's ugly and it breaks. Ever see that sopranos episode where the one landscaper was moving in on the other landscapers turf? funny stuff

 

[daArch]

I had a tin canner come to my door many a year ago with expectations of selling me. Before he had two words outa his lying mouth, I told him I was a painting contractor. He turned and left without saying another word.

 

[Dave Mac]

TS my neighbor is currently getting her house vinl, and the cost is way way way more then if I was to paint it, I dont think the HO was straight with you.

example, my neighbor is leaving off the front porch to paint, they were going to charge her 2,800 to vinl it, to paint it, is one gallon of paint and one full day for one painter.

I too am looking for the pros and cons of paint verse vinl, so this topic came along at the right time

cost is one, having to live with same color is another, and covering up wood with plastic is not a guarantee that it still wont rot, you just wont see it. You can paint a house three of four times compared to the cost of vinl siding, so the Ho has to plan to be living their a long time to get value out the vinl. imo


dave

 

[daArch]

and covering up wood with plastic is not a guarantee that it still wont rot, you just wont see it.

dave

And in most cases, covering up a house with vinyl or beer cans is a SURE GUARANTEE it WILL rot .... and faster.

I can not believe the shoddy workmanship of some of these people. True, some of it has to do with the near impossiblity of sealing the water and the moisture out when you try to incorporate it into an already sided building.

I have always been taught that if you are going to vinylize a house, you do it from the get go, when it's being built. Either that or strip all the wood siding off, including trim, and do it CORRECTLY. It's a system not an after-market add-on.

 

[Dave Mac]

And in most cases, covering up a house with vinyl or beer cans is a SURE GUARANTEE it WILL rot .... and faster.



I have always been taught that if you are going to vinylize a house, you do it from the get go, when it's being built. Either that or strip all the wood siding off, including trim, and do it CORRECTLY. It's a system not an after-market add-on.

very good point:thumbsup:

 

[tsunamicontract]

cost is one, having to live with same color is another, and covering up wood with plastic is not a guarantee that it still wont rot, you just wont see it. You can paint a house three of four times compared to the cost of vinl siding, so the Ho has to plan to be living their a long time to get value out the vinl. imo


dave

No, the cost of putting vinyl on ( tearing it off and putting up foam board and vapor barrier) is pretty much right on par with the cost of painting the old wood. It does appear that the cost of painting is very high where I am and the cost of siding work is not. But still, this does not look good. But there will always be stuff to paint.

 

[Brian]

But there will always be stuff to paint.

Even vinyl siding can be painted. We don't have much vinyl here, but once in a while we will paint some.

But your point about lots of things to paint is the real important point. Until something is created that is indestructable and can change color at will, we'll always have something to paint. Paint does 2 things-- it protects surfaces and it adds color (enhances lives). Neither will ever go out of fashion.

Brian Phillips

 

[HomeGuardPaints]

sounds low but a guy looking for beer money without any insurance could swing it. Usually would be in the 7000-10000 range for standard 2 story home.


I wouldn't try to compete on price, I like to remind them about the beauty of wood and how it adds character.

 

[daArch]

I like to remind them about the beauty of wood and how it adds character.

And THAT is the main marketing of wood over beer canning or plastic wrap

can you say
A-E-S-T-H-E-T-I-C-S

aesthetics:
1 : a branch of philosophy dealing with the nature of beauty, art, and taste and with the creation and appreciation of beauty
2: a particular theory or conception of beauty or art : a particular taste for or approach to what is pleasing to the senses and especially sight

 

[tsunamicontract]

are aesthetics alone enough of a factor to justify the extra cost to most customers right now though?

 

[HomeGuardPaints]

this market shouldn't really impact that descision, that is a 10-20 year choice over a 1 year ripple in the economy. People who base it on price will always base their descision on price no matter the economy. The economy just makes them feel more justified to chop your legs out.

 

[tsunamicontract]

Yah, and I know it is easy to well if price is the only driving factor they are not the customers we want. But the fact of the matter is, we do have to want some customers.

 

[daArch]

are aesthetics alone enough of a factor to justify the extra cost to most customers right now though?

"To most customers" ?? ...... Can't answer that.

The clientelle that is my target base have the financial base that does not force them to be as fickle as the ups and downs of the market.

My experience is that there are always people who have the money that allows them to buy "beauty, art, and taste".

In this business, the secret to success is finding the market that will pay for aesthetics.

In the beer can and plastic wrap business, the secret to success is finding those who do not have that kind of finacial base and who want a quick fix. \

Only you can chose which market you want to target.

 

[MAK-Deco]

We always can use as a selling point to clients that are thinking vinyl is that nothing is maintenance free, nothing period. Vinyl fades, cracks in some cases. and in about 5 years will look worn and the color choices are usually beige and more beige with a little taupe.