[Wickedgood!]

HHHHeeeellllooo to all!!!! Sure it's been talked about before but.. Anyone know who offers the best and most complete line of "natural/organic, low/no VOC" paints? I know SW and BM have some paints and there are a few, "mom and pop" companies out there like "Milkpaint" and what not.. Also, is there anyone that offers an exterior NO VOC paint?Ever work with it? Good stuff to offer? Anything I should know before I do?! Thanks guys! Hope all is well!!!

 

[painttofish]

Organic paint? Try Mythic. Its Non toxic.

 

[vermontpainter]

Ditto

 

[GMack]

Mythic or AFM Safecoat

 

[dvab]

"Non-toxic". Pleeeease. Unless these folks are using something other than TiO2 to make their paint white like everyone else, their products are not non-toxic. Look at a SW's MSDS or an MSDS from any reputable paint company, TiO2 is always listed as a carcinogen. Granted, someone had to stuff a rat's lungs full of the stuff, but those are the rules all paint companies are supposed to play by. That these folks choose not to should tell you something about their claims. Fact is, even though TiO2, clay or calcium carbonate trigger the warnings, they are all based on inhalation of the dust, not from consumption. Nevertheless, calling a bucket of paint "non-toxic", is just foolhardy.

Don't get me wrong, it's a decent bucket of paint but don't for a second beleive it's any greener than other brands simply because they add "non-toxic" to the label and choose to ignore the TiO2 warnings.

 

[Housepainter]

"Non-toxic". Pleeeease. Unless these folks are using something other than TiO2 to make their paint white like everyone else, their products are not non-toxic. Look at a SW's MSDS or an MSDS from any reputable paint company, TiO2 is always listed as a carcinogen. Granted, someone had to stuff a rat's lungs full of the stuff, but those are the rules all paint companies are supposed to play by. That these folks choose not to should tell you something about their claims. Fact is, even though TiO2, clay or calcium carbonate trigger the warnings, they are all based on inhalation of the dust, not from consumption. Nevertheless, calling a bucket of paint "non-toxic", is just foolhardy.

Don't get me wrong, it's a decent bucket of paint but don't for a second beleive it's any greener than other brands simply because they add "non-toxic" to the label and choose to ignore the TiO2 warnings.

The Mythic paint is ...Non-Toxic..:whistling2:

 

[vermontpainter]

Welcome back dvab. I can tell by your three posts here on painttalk that this is an issue that you hold dear.

Have you used Mythic yet?

 

[vermontpainter]

I just checked out the MSDS sheet for Mythic. Its as clean a sheet as I have ever seen. If you take the time to check it out, go to Section 11, the toxicological information, you will find "no hazardous materials present as defined by OSHA", who I think we would all have to agree are pretty thorough. Try doing some research before making passionate generalizations intended to poop on products that you clearly dont know much about.

So, in response to your ill-advised and insubstantiated claim above, since Tio2 doesnt show up on Mythic's MSDS sheet, does that mean they are not a reputable company? Or could it be that the paint is actually non-toxic?
Stick around and learn a few things. Sporadic and cynical posts making contentious and unsupported claims about new paint technologies are kind of pointless.

 

[Dustygirl01]

I found the SW Harmony paints to be difficult to work with. Even the flat finish flashes very badly, you can see every cut line. Also, the paint constantly separates even while you're working with it in the tray (some colors worse than others).

 

[VAInteriors]

Its funny what marketing can do. Dvab is obvious very passionate about his beliefs, which is his right. But take for example the fact that the MSDS in question states that there are no toxins by OSHA standards. That's a nice thing to say, but...

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0617.html

This is where the OSHA site takes you to when you do a search on TiO2. It says that it is a possible occupational carcinogen. So how can it say no hazardous materials? Is it because it is liquid?

Now, I am no expert on what makes things toxic or not, but that doesn't seem good. I'm sure there is a reason why it can be said Mythic is non-toxic, but in this case it seems like everyone is right. I don't think TiO2 is harmful if you ingest it, I mean, it's what makes marshmallows white, so it can't be.

Everything in dust format is probably toxic in some form. Anyway, I just thought it was interesting.

 

[vermontpainter]

VA

As to your link, thanks for the general info about TiO2, but not sure how it relates to dvabs direct criticism of Mythic, other than he has a right to his opinion. I guess when you presented a link, I was looking for something like: "the following manufacturers have unsafe levels of TiO2 in their products: Mythic, SW, BM...etc." I think its important to consider levels. We can all breathe low levels of carbon monoxide without ill effect, we do it every day. We can even tolerate levels of impurity in our drinking water.

To me the point is that Mythic has a formulation that exceeds by far every criteria placed on manufacturers by osha, epa, etc. As painters, we should support that. We work with these products day in and day out for years of our lives. When new technologies come out that reduce our long term exposure and provide excellent performance, which I personally can attest to the fact that Mythic does, why would someone take a cynical stance and try to denigrate it as marketing bs? The facts are what they are. And sure, we all have a right to our opinions.

 

[VAInteriors]

VP, I'm totally with you and I'm certainly not denigrating Mythic. From my trials, its been ok. I think the problem for everyone right now is there just simply isn't a good place to go for any of this info. If it's not Greenguard, its Greenseal. If it's not Greenseal then it's MPI. If it's not MPI, then its Greensure. When there's 50 definitions of green, I think it turns everyone suspicious, because if everyone's defining things differently, how can anyone be right?

We also have to remember we live in the world post MCI Worldcom, Enron, Adelphia, and countless others that have caused regular people to question things that seem unlikely. Its an unfortunate symptom of a general lack of trust of society as a whole. While I don't sign up for general distrust of everything, I also can see where people come from. Enough crap has gone on in this world in the past 10 years to cause anyone to stop and think before they take something at face value. Hopefully one day we can restore man's faith in man.

OK...someone get me away from the philosophy books

 

[vermontpainter]

VA

Well put. I dont think there has to be a right or wrong on this particular issue. I think there are degrees of commitment and compliance to regulations imposed on manufacturers. I have done alot of research and have been among the first in my area to field test and review each new major manufacturers interior technology as they become available.

I try to keep it simple, and as I see it, these products are generally marketed as low voc or no voc. The epa restrictions on these products is geared primarily to emissions as they relate to exterior air smog! Thats not the criteria I want applied to the interior paint I expose myself, my family, my crews and customers to for years and years. Mythic has taken it several steps beyond the regulations that the major manufacturers have been trying to skirt in recent years. They have engineered something with actual indoor air quality in mind.

I am the first to tilt at windmills and question sacred cows, and I must confess, if you search the archives here on painttalk, when Keir from Mythic showed up here I was among the first to question the crap out of him and the motives of Mythic. I learned alot, not just about Mythic, but about the movement to safer technologies as a whole. Time will tell, and I believe that with the R&D they have put into Mythic, it is a concept that the market will determine to have significant value. A friend of ours out here on painttalk speaks of the concept of "market as arbitor". Time will tell.

 

[timhag]

"Non-toxic". Pleeeease. .

There you go again, how are you gonna gain respect here with that type of attitude. You remind me of my Ex wife two days before her period.

 

[MAK-Deco]

There you go again, how are you gonna gain respect here with that type of attitude. You remind me of my Ex wife two days before her period.

Hey Tim, was your ex wife toxic???

 

[timhag]

Hey Tim, was your ex wife toxic???

As toxic as they come brother. I wear a Haz Mat. suit when I pick up the kids.....lol

 

[KeirK]

Do we really have to go through all this again DVAB?
Please do a search for all my responses to you.
We are Non-Toxic and we are not skirting any issues with this claim, your'e disbelief is understood and noted. It is your right to ignore the facts. The fact is that we use independent 3rd party verification not our own internal bias. This is not a marketing game, but a simple statement of facts. our claims are false. I shutter to think what post #4 will bring..... your loosing ground with the unsubstantiated guesswork.

 

[bikerboy]

SHHHHH,.......davb secretly work for Home Depot and pushes the "Freshaire" line of paint.

:jester: :jester: :jester:

 

[Wickedgood!]

Alrighty then... As always, great info!! Thanks... I want to start using Mythic as my primary paint to work with, one problem, KeirK... I'm in RI and there isn't a dealer close by!!!!!!! I called customer service and it looks like my only option is going to be by mail.. Seems like more trouble then it's worth..

If i may chime in on the whole "dvab" issue.. I've done some serious research on this cause I'm looking to take more of a "green" approace to the biz and there is ALLLLLOT of non-toxic (ish) SW & BM being the "ish" part so, do a little homework on this dvab, you'll be surprised.

Thanks again everyone!!!

Paint on painter.....

 

[Housepainter]

Alrighty then... As always, great info!! Thanks... I want to start using Mythic as my primary paint to work with, one problem, KeirK... I'm in RI and there isn't a dealer close by!!!!!!! I called customer service and it looks like my only option is going to be by mail.. Seems like more trouble then it's worth..

If i may chime in on the whole "dvab" issue.. I've done some serious research on this cause I'm looking to take more of a "green" approace to the biz and there is ALLLLLOT of non-toxic (ish) SW & BM being the "ish" part so, do a little homework on this dvab, you'll be surprised.

Thanks again everyone!!!

Paint on painter.....

Hey I live less that 2 hour from Hattiesburg MS and I cannot find a location either...other than mail order...