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Hi,

I am thinking of joining either the napp or pdca. Other than the cost is one better then the other?
 

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If you think NAPP is crap you aren't paying attention.

You can't ask which is better because they are two completely different organizations.

The PDCA is and industry advocacy group. They deal with legislation, lobbying, fighting the EPA's VOC regulations, local face to face networking and to a small extent the business of running a painting company.

NAPP deals 100% with helping the owners of painting companies become better business people. Once you join you have access to a database of, literally, hundreds of business forms. Time sheets, job costing spreadsheets, ROI tracking, Employee Handbook template, Employee Training Manual, In Gear Management series, etc. All of them are priceless.

If you are active in NAPP you also get the experience and guidance of the founder and the members. Brian Phillips of OutOfTheBucket.com is an active member and always willing to help someone who is interested in improving his or her business. Mark Havens, the founder, is also always willing to help work through problems and help brainstorm over the phone or via e-mail.

I'm a member of The NAPP and I can honestly say it's the best money I have ever invested in my business.

I guarantee that in the next few days this thread will blow up with nothing but success stories from other NAPP members...

P.S. In these threads the VP of the PDCA (who is himself a member of The NAPP) and Mark Havens (founder of The NAPP) discuss the differences between the two organizations.

http://www.thepaintersnetwork.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=2303&hl

http://www.thepaintersnetwork.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=2316
 

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Then I stand corrected. Maybe I just don't understand how to make it work for me. I have checked the site regularly for updates and or anything that seems to be recent and I just don't see it. Maybe I'm expecting to much but I haven't seen any newsletters or e-mails or seminars . Believe me , I would love to know more
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Then I stand corrected. Maybe I just don't understand how to make it work for me. I have checked the site regularly for updates and or anything that seems to be recent and I just don't see it. Maybe I'm expecting to much but I haven't seen any newsletters or e-mails or seminars . Believe me , I would love to know more
That's why I joined

I didn't mean to freak out on you, I've been known to do that. :whistling2:

Anyway,

How long have you been a member? Have you downloaded and worked through the In Gear Series yet? That will take you a lot of time and it's very beneficial. It's basically a road map to running a more successful painting company, one that doesn't need your hands on attention all the time.

And like I said if there is something you don't get or could use some guidance on call up the guy who wrote it (or any of the other NAPP members for that matter) and he would be more than happy to talk you through it.

I also found the employee hiring guide extremely helpful as I recently hired my first "real" employee. It would have taken me months or more likely years to write an employee handbook that was as thorough as the one provided to NAPP members.

I agree with PWG as well, join in on the discussion over there.
 

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Maybe I'm expecting to much but I haven't seen any newsletters or e-mails or seminars . Believe me , I would love to know more
That's why I joined
About the newsletters and seminars. You have to sign up for the email newsletter.

And the seminars come a little less than once per quarter. Mark hasn't done one in a while because I think he is working hard on the highly anticipated Customer Retention program.
 

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Great posts Joe. I also think NAPP is the best thing I have done for my business. I think one of the issues with having more Peer2Peer calls or seminars is the lack of commitment from members. Everybody talks a good game, but when it comes time to get involved and invest the time or money people drop out.

The ammount of business material is incredible in the members section. Becoming a member and pay the small dues associated will not magically transform your business. YOU have to do the work, always with help if needed from other members, but its YOUR business - invest in it.
 

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I think one of the issues with having more Peer2Peer calls or seminars is the lack of commitment from members. Everybody talks a good game, .
Of course you had to say that on a day that I missed the teleconference... Sorry, I had a last minute estimate to go to.

I really feel like a $hit for missing lately...

Becoming a member and pay the small dues...

I'm glad you said that because I really do think NAPP is an incredible bargain. For the benefits to my business I would have paid a lot more had I known...
 

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Great posts Joe. I also think NAPP is the best thing I have done for my business. I think one of the issues with having more Peer2Peer calls or seminars is the lack of commitment from members. Everybody talks a good game, but when it comes time to get involved and invest the time or money people drop out.

The ammount of business material is incredible in the members section. Becoming a member and pay the small dues associated will not magically transform your business. YOU have to do the work, always with help if needed from other members, but its YOUR business - invest in it.
I was one of the lucky ones that fully participated in the previous Peer2Peer meetings,
I can honestly say I am glad I did. How well our business is doing now
has a lot to do with these meetings and NAPP in general.



http://www.ecopainting.ca/
 

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The comments made on the board this past week, both of a postitive nature and otherwise, are appreciated. Obviously, we have some areas of service which needs minor improvement, and I accept responsibility to get it done.
I am certain the resources and training support NAPP has developed and extended to paint contractors - on whole - has proved beneficial to them. However, there remains an ongoing challenge to find better ways for prospective member contractors to access and utilize what we have. I'll work to tighten up those areas of our service delivery if needed.
Thanks again for the comments.

PS. A single request for information regarding our AC program came in this past week while I was out of town. This request will be attended to this coming week - thanks.
 

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So what about the PDCA? I have been a member for a year and have found the estimating guides are the best guides on the subject. I also found members to be very professional and very knowledgable about everything painting. Loads of useful subjects on the website. I wish we had more chapter meetings and the cost of joining is a bit steep for a guy like me just starting a business. It is a wonderful organization but expensive for the small business guy. I will continue with my membership and probably join NAPP too.:thumbsup:
 

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Even if they offer monthly payments, it is still an expensive organization to join. Then there is a charge for just about all the materials. For $500.00 you should get much more. Although I still am thinking about becoming a member.
 
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