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Yeah, it does get kind of old with the some of the basic how do I do this kind of questions, but my question is: Bill can you add another 1000 post to my profile, I want to be in the End club too.
Didn't there use to be a song like that?
 

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Let me slow down for those of you that have a little trouble reading ......... I did not state that post count will constitute who is professional.

One more time ....It would just weed out some newbies for a thread for senior members to discuss things.

Talk about taking things out of context.
Out of context? "Post count is the only diplomatic way of doing it". Sound familar?
 

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Come on Arch .....Look up the members with 2000 or more posts. How many are station wagon painters ....besides yourself that is.
HEY ! My customers don't want to pay for no fancy truck, no insurance, no retirement plan. They like my no frills image!

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It is likely that if someone has stuck around here long enough to post that many times thay might have a serious interest in the profession. Not just cruizing through for a month and pilingup a quick 350 posts. Post count is the only diplomatic way of doing it and all I am talking about is one lousy thread. A senior members section would probably alleviate much of the newbie bashing.
yah, maybe you be right. I'm sure Nathan reads all these and will take it into consideration. Us lowly mods don't got that power.

Now, over on the NGPP BB, we have supreme god-like powers. WOOOOEEEE
 

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I have been thinking for a while about a V.I.P. section.

Also I think it should be mandatory that every new member posts a bio.
They do not have to give away personal information like names/locations etc, (unless they want to) but all of the other relevant info.

It should be detailed with all their experience and perhaps a word minimum equivalent to two paragraphs or so.

How long have they been painting? What kind of painting was it? Were the companies they learned under licensed and bonded? (meaning do they an least have some experience working for companies that had to evolve enough efficiency and customer service to be successful legitimately)? This isn't a rule against ever having worked under the table, but I know that most of my own valuable experience came from the companies that were legitimate and had to be efficient, concerned with quality, and provide a superior service in order to compete.

The goal of all of this would be to establish that the new member truly had some valid painting experience under his belt. By requiring them to lay out several details, it would discourage a large percentage of people who might otherwise try to convince us they were experienced when in fact they were not.

Secondly, it would give some background for us to compare subsequent posts with.

For example if they went on about having 15 years of experience, and worked full time for several companies etc, then they come on asking "do I have to wash the grease off the woodwork before I paint it? And I didn't wash it and painted acrylic over it, is there any thing I can paint over the top of it that will fix the fact that my first coat is not sticking to the grease?" etc.

Or: "what grit sandpaper should I use 80, 150, 220, or 1000 grit sandpaper between enamel coats"

Then people could contrast that lack of knowledge to their bio to determine if they were legit or not.

V.I.P. section:


I think the V.I.P section should be based on a percentage yes vote of existing V.I.P. members. Not meaning that everyone has to vote, but say at least 5 people have to click a form that approves the new member, then he/she will be invited to the V.I.P section.

My suggestion would be to make it so it isn't just the tiny top skilled percentage of painters get in the V.I.P section but just that people who are working as full time painters, or as full time as the economy allows, people who don't split their income by also laying carpet, fixing cars, and spraying for insects. People who have paid some dues, and who know what painting is about have valuable things to share.

For example if a new member joins, and their bio states 20 years owning their own business. And they have had state contracts, affluent neighborhoods etc, they should be able to be approved for the V.I.P section immediately assuming several people deem their knowledge correct and believable.

But if someone joins and really doesn't sound like they have much experience, it might be several months before enough V.I.P. members click yes, or maybe never.

People should try to be objective and not only approve people who they seem to click with, but any one who clearly has deemed a significant amount of painting knowledge and understanding of the trade. Ideally you might not like someone, but you would still approve them for the V.I.P. section if you thought they had a significant amount of painting knowledge and experience.

The goal would be to let new members know that they shouldn't feel upset or resentful if they don't get invited to the V.I.P section right away, just to be patient and when enough people click yes they are in.

Existing V.I.P members could discuss amongst themselves if so inclined whether they think a new member has shown enough knowledge to prove that they are a real painter.

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I would suggest starting a core group with people who obviously have already proved that they are experienced in the painting trade.

As examples the following people are people who come to mind, if I leave someone out, it is not because I don't think they can paint, but probably because I am not remembering them, or haven't seen any of their posts.
Feel free to add to the list:

This is in NO PARTICULAR ORDER, just as I remember them, it could be who said the funniest thing recently, or people who hang together, this order is not intended to be a heirarchical list of my opinion of people's painting skill/knowledge:
Last Craftsman :), Tooledup, Neps, Vermont painter, Mak Deko, RCP, Bender, neighter, ProWallGuy, DaArch, Johnpaint, DeanV, Workaholic, Wisepainter, Mantis, Ewingpainting, PaintToFish, MistCoat etc.

I am certain there are MANY more qualified people who I am not aware of that other members could suggest.


I was just trying to give an example of a starting list of people who have varying degrees of experience that clearly have invested lots of time in the painting trade, and who are currently making their living based on being a full time painter.

Even though he is a paperhanger, DaArch is grandfathered in because we know for a fact that he DID paint for a long time, and got lead poising so he paid his dues, and because he's a Moderator so I can't leave him out. :whistling2:

So this is my ideas to make the forum a more "Pro-friendly" environment.


  • Detailed bios that will be eagle-eyed by everyone to discourage fakers and hacks.

  • A V.I.P section for people who have clearly demonstrated that they are real painters with valid painting experience, and who have committed a great deal to the trade/craft of painting.
What are people's thoughts on this?
 

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There is absolutly no way you can do this for people using the internet on a forum where people can be who they want to be it they work hard enough. There are some people that would pass the test even if they new nothing about painting.all they have to do is do a search to the impress the masses. Thats what I do.
 

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Yes ....how else on a forum would you do it smart guy? Make a private section for senior members ......nothing about more post making you more professional.
Hey Chief - Don't take it personally. What constitutes as a Sr. Member (the number of posts - that's crazy - anyone can BS)? Just sayin' that we all need to speak our minds and be respectfull of each others' thoughts. Nothing more - nothing less.
 

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Again, this is something for the owner, Nathan, to consider.

Whoever seriously wants this to happen, may want to ask him what his feelings about it are.
 

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I like the idea LC .....A little complicated but a good start.

I agree that some type of bio would be great. I am a member of another simlilar forum that requires you to include your name and company name in your signature. It is a very professional forum. No BS is tolerated.
 

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Does this VIP section include any other nice benefits, like maybe a a stake dinner once a year?If so, I'm a hard worker. No just kidding LC, you have at least come up with a good start, at least you listed my name in there, so I will never ever send you a bad pm, forsure.
 

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Does this VIP section include any other nice benefits, like a steak dinner
No, but all V.I.P. members should have a little V.I.P. indicator by their name so we can strut around feeling important and so the newbies will know who's asses to kiss.

In fact we could all have a little graphic of an ass by our names, and members who wanted to be invited to the V.I.P. section, could plant a graphic of a kiss with their name on it on our asses to gain favor and influence our votes. :yes:
 

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No, but all V.I.P. members should have a little V.I.P. indicator by their name so we can strut around feeling important and so the newbies will know who's asses to kiss.

In fact we could all have a little graphic of an ass by our names, and members who wanted to be invited to the V.I.P. section, could plant a graphic of a kiss with their name on it on our asses to gain favor and influence our votes. :yes:
This sounds like fun. No just kidding. I know this whole thing is so frustrating. I remember watching a movie a long time ago where the boot company sargent spent so much of his time to train guy's to be men only to start all over again after a few months.This is kind of like what it's like around here.
 

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I like this forum, members can get "rep points" by any other member by making meaningful contributions. Kind of like the Thanks button at CT.
 

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V.I.P. ?

Virtual Internet Poser ???? :no:

(sorry the ghost of MJ made me say that)
 

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V.I.P. ?
Virtual Internet Poser ???? :no:

The invite only group could be named anything. The name is not important.

What is important is the concept of having a private section that is composed of people who have demonstrated their skill/knowledge/experience to other members of the invite only group to a degree that warranted an invitation to the group.

Having several invite only members click on a form approving a member to the invite only group would be an easy self sustaining way of regulating membership that didn't require a commitment from everyone in the group, and didn't open up a can of worms of oversight, and disagreements, or panels/committees etc.

Nathan can thank me for my brilliance at his convenience. :)
 

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Bill, I agree that we all have to start somewhere and that some 'noobs' are genuinely interested in learning the trade. I would be the first to help these guys along their learning curve - I have overseen and trained/helped train many apprentices during my painting career. What I don't agree with is that they should be in business yet. They should be learning the trade in the proper environment and not at the expense of the people who are giving them work thinking that they've given the job to somebody competent to undertake the work.

I think the idea of a 'members' area is a good one. I think 1000 posts is a bit high. The 'hacks' are usually exposed within their first 20 posts or so. I think the better way would be for the majority of the site to be in the member's area and maybe just the general painting board open to the new members until they've maybe reached 25/30 posts. The problem with implimenting that would be the loss off google hits. Google would only pick stuff up from the 'open' forums - Of course, you could allow the google bot into those areas but then whatever is posted in there would be picked up and displayed in search results.
 
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