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Any of you guys still able to purchase oil based finish paint? It was completely taken off shelves here over a year ago.
 

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I am in ny and they took of the shelves about a 1 1/2 ago, they still carry oil-based finishes which are not the same... i happen to live on the border of ct and can still get the good stuff there....
 

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Gallons and 5's are still here. Oil will be around for a bit i think. These days they are messing with oil/waterborns

Quarts are too.
 

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I think Cal. and a couple eastern states are leading here and show us where the rest of us will be in 5 years or so. All oil products are still on shelves in MI, although my store is not stocking much exterior oil paint. Which is fine with me, except for exterior jobs that already have oil on them.
 

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If you want I'll drop some off next time through Rich
Lol
We can still get it here
...which is kind of surprising actually, in a state with an Environmental Police force...that's armed...and technically aren't cops so don't need to follow Police Force protocols and guidelines like Miranda Rights, engaging in pursuit, and shooting people...
 

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Frequently I get clues that someone may know something I don't...

Housing market is bad enough here in CA to make news in the papers.
I know of two tracts where the builder just walked, and a few others with only minimal crews plugging along.

So a month ago, a new paint store opened for business about a block from my house ! Perhaps they know something I don't know...

I'll stop in tomorrow and ask for oil based paint products.
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If you want I'll drop some off next time through Rich
Lol
thanks John...but I'll have to pass, lol
I absolutely convince every customer to use acrylic latex these days-yes, even the diehard oil people
 

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I get the impression that most of you guys here don't like oil base paint, or did i read it wrong?
Are you talking a bout interior or exterior?

I personally love using oil base paint on interior trim. Oil looks much better when finished.
 

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I get the impression that most of you guys here don't like oil base paint, or did i read it wrong?
Are you talking a bout interior or exterior?

I personally love using oil base paint on interior trim. Oil looks much better when finished.
Yeah, oil looks good on interior trim, but I have given up on it due to all the hassles associated with it. I'd use oil inside way before I'd use it outside though.

This is a new era. People here are all about latex. It's the same as religion...you don't have to follow suit, just because your parents did :no:
 

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The government can have my oil paint when they pry it from my cold, dead, hands.
 

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Slickshift, why fight the trend?
The gubment is just mandating what the people want.
Why not use "painter friendly" products?
It's for your benefit, too.
Then, when it breaks down much faster than the old lead based alkyds,
you are at work again.
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lol...
Truth is as per customer request I've been doing more and more latex/waterbornes the last few years...where I would traditionally prefer an alkyd
That's fine...it's a customer request...it's better for (what's left of) my brain, the environment, and now lately, especially my wallet
All oil/solvent-based products are getting out of hand
Thinner out here is nearly 8 bucks a gallon (pre-contractor disc.)
Disposal will be closing in on a thou a 55 before long (nearly 800 last I checked)

But I still enjoy working with oils, and will continue to offer the service
 

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I like the way oil looks and put it in my house here in Maryland. Now (since we have to do whatever CA does) we can only get some oil primers, and roof paints. Have to look hard because most are have stopped carrying it.
That said there are some great latex products that work really well and don't yellow like oil does. I getting real fond of Muralo's semi gloss. Sherwin Williams "Pro Classic" is all right, but you have to get it right the first time , because if you back brush it later it get ropey. ( When using it add floetrol)
 

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Yeah, oil looks good on interior trim, but I have given up on it due to all the hassles associated with it. I'd use oil inside way before I'd use it outside though.
Yep, all oil is still available here in MI. Rich, what products do you like to use for staining exteriors? Semi-trans siding, and decks in particular. I use cabots oil for both. I am however, relatively young and see the tides changing. The problem is using products that don't match up to what the competition is using. Have you found any waterbased materials that perform well (as good) for these surfaces? I advertise low odor and zero VOC product availability but rarely get requests for these products. I am sure it is my location that dictates these responses. I am more comfortable using waterbase on interiors rather than exteriors due to the longevity issue. My main concern is losing clients because of bad product performance and longevity. While I am on the subject, does anyone use interior latex stains or finishes with good results? Other than INT stains and finishes I try and use all acrylic products. Oh yea, I prefer to brush interior trim with oil when I have to. Only because it looks so much better, but it still STINKS! All your knowledge is appreciated :yes:
 

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...does anyone use interior latex stains or finishes with good results?
Not in my opinion, no
I don't care for waterbased stains or polys
I really try and stay away from them
I can say that waterborne Impervo is almost as good as the alkyd Impervo
I can not say the same about Minwax's water-based vs. their oil-based
 

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Sherwin Williams "Pro Classic" is all right, but you have to get it right the first time, because if you back brush it later it get ropey
Yeah the pro-classic is a tricky paint. Sets up WAY too fast and doesn't have a true semi gloss sheen, it's more like a satin.

You should try SW's Cashmere...that's what I've switched to, I used to be a diehard pro classic guy until I used this...great coverage and workability :yes:
 

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Manufacturers are getting smart with their oil based paints. They are borrowing from their knowledge from latex formulations to make their oil based paints work better under new VOC laws. For instance - oil based paints of old were renown for their ability to level out, and not show any brush marks. Well several years ago - BMs satin oil impervo showed more brushmarks than say P&L's accolade interior latex semigloss. But now, I picked up a gallon of impervo - and one of the ingredients is a surfactant - the magical chem used to make latex paints level better. And guess what? Benny's oil impervo levels and looks just as good as some 30-40 yr. old enamel finishes I have come across - and meets VOC standards - kudos!
 
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