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I thought I would start a new thread to address the overhead issues that arose in another thread.

What follows is for illustrative purposes only. Most companies would have other overhead items not listed here. I kept it short just to keep it simple. But the same principles will apply.

In the first two examples below I am assuming that each painter will work 160 hours per month and jobs are sold at $40 per hour. I included materials in the $40, again to keep this simple. I used labor costs of $20 per hour, which includes all labor burden.

This chart shows expenses with 2 painters. Revenues are $12,800 (2 men, 320 total hours, $40 per hour).


The overhead in this example is 44.1% of revenues. (Again, in a real life company there would be other overhead items and actual overhead would probably be closer to 50% to 55% of revenues.) Net profit is 5.6% of revenues.

Now let’s look at what happens if the company adds 1 painter. The hours worked will increase by 160, which will increase revenues to $19,200. As a result, labor and material costs will also increase. However, overhead items will not increase. Rent, insurance, phone, etc. will not be impacted by the additional painter. Advertising may need to be increased to generate more leads to keep an additional painter busy, so I do show an increase in that expense. But all other overhead expenses would stay the same.



The result is that overhead drops to 30.7% of revenues and profit increases to 17.1%.

Let’s look at one final scenario.

We’ve hired the additional painter but we also reduced our selling rate to $35 per hour, so total sales are now $16,800 (3 men, 480 total hours, $35 per hour).



Even at this reduced selling price overhead has decreased as a percentage of revenues (versus the original scenario) and profit has increased.

I hasten to add that all of the above is hypothetical, but the numbers are realistic. As I said, there will be other overhead items. The new painter may not be as productive and thus actual revenues do not increase as much. The owner may wish to draw a larger salary since he is managing another person. Numerous other factors can also have an impact on the actual numbers.

My primary point is that hiring additional painters does not necessarily and automatically increase overhead. Direct costs—labor and materials—will increase more or less proportionally with the number of people hired.

At some point, hiring additional painters will increase overhead—an office assistant may be needed, a larger office may be needed, etc. But going from 2 painters to 4 will seldom necessitate such additional expenses.

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Scott,

I figured that each painter cost $20 per hour. This includes his wages, taxes, etc. I did that just to simplify the example. In real life you probably pay at different rates. And in real life the examples I used would break out the labor burden seperately.

It's a crude example admittedly, but I think it illustrates the point well enough.

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I have always considered Payroll Taxes and WC as a direct expense and part of payroll. I have typically figured 19% for additional for WC/payroll taxes, and another 6% for benefits so a MH cost shouldn't change. One MH cost the same as the next so using a flat $20 for instance is realistic. Increasing labor doesn't necessarily increase overhead but, as I think you said before, your cash flow is what changes dramatically. Being prepared with extra cash for the additional paychecks, taxes, etc. is what is most important until the revenue stream can settle in with the new labor.

An old man told me a long time ago that "the more people you have working for you the more people you have making you money". There is some truth to it.
 

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I know your figures are for illustration only, but wouldn't your insurance go up for each extra painter, and the marketing budget will surely have to go up by a large amount to keep those extra painters busy.
The insurance I listed in overhead was for liability only. WC was included in the painter's wages as part of the labor burden.

On the advertising, my premise was that if $500 is spent to keep 2 guys busy ($250 each) adding another painter would add another $250. I kept the advertising proportional to the number of painters.

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Brian, great post, as usual.

May I borrow those charts and/or some of this post for the thick heads over at our PW'ing board? Every time I mention something about raising prices or true operational costs, the one man shows spit out something about being smaller so therefore they have less overhead.
 

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I think where an owner/operator gets caught up is that he considers his salary as eliminating payroll. That may hold true but it dooms him or her to owning a job with little chance for expansion or as you guys say, "getting out of the bucket".
 

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Brian, great post, as usual.

May I borrow those charts and/or some of this post for the thick heads over at our PW'ing board? Every time I mention something about raising prices or true operational costs, the one man shows spit out something about being smaller so therefore they have less overhead.
Ken,

You can use the charts, but I'd suggest adding all of the caveats (or more).

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Does that constitute withholding wages?

Hi all, if an employer bounces payroll checks to you after deposited them in your bank and then does not pay the bank off for a number of weeks later. Does that constitute withholding wages? Is there any recourse one can pursue to penalize the company or report them. Since your credit is what suffers. What are your suggestions about this?
 

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this is a criminal event

Hi all, if an employer bounces payroll checks to you after deposited them in your bank and then does not pay the bank off for a number of weeks later. Does that constitute withholding wages? Is there any recourse one can pursue to penalize the company or report them. Since your credit is what suffers. What are your suggestions about this?
This need to be reported to the labor board.
and police...

I have not one bit of sympathy for anyone who does not pay employees.

Sry, it will not fix your bad credit...

Moderator... this needs a move....
 

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I was at one of Len Fifes semminars in the early 90's, he told all the one man shows there OH was around 100% and then showed them on a chart why.

He had guys telling him they lived with there mother so they had no rent, they only used phones (pay) when they absolutely had to, never went to hospital and used there brother in laws truck to get material. :whistling2:

Therefore they had no expenses and reciveables were all profit......:rolleyes:


Ive been to semminars with Monroe Porter, Irv Chasen all say the same one or even 2 man show, ya got some serious OH.........
 
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