[SeipJere]

I don't want to take too much space up here, so, I'll just get right to the point.

I'm a freelance journeyman working out of Guelph (pronounced Gelf), Ontario, Can. (about an hr-15 SW of Toronto).

For a little while now I've been working on streamlining an approach to wastewater recovery/containment and treatment.

(I'm sure I'm not the only one who realizes off gassing (i.e. airborne VOCs) is not the real cause for concern in the industry. i.e. environment, pollution, impact...)

I set up the domain www.alliedpainting.com as a forum to publish and drum up new business and interest). I've thus far had absolutely no interest at all, but fortunately as usual plenty of business.

The jist of the approach is simple, all washing off site, containment of rinse-water than evaporation of water and re-concentration of coatings or complete drying (warm air, low R.H.). (a more in depth description is at www.alliedpainting.com/helpingtheplanet)

Anyone interested can drop me a line, or fire away right here and be little patient for a reply.

I hope and expect that by the time the snows flying (up here) I should be making some progress on my treatment shed and I'll keep everyone informed, and update my posts accordingly.

Until then
All the best,

Jeremiah Seip.(rhymes with type)

p.s. To the admin./management/owner(s) of painttalk.com and contractortalk.com , Great sites. They're going in my favorites, and on my links page pronto. Thank you, and keep up the good work.

 

[Z paint]

pretty interesting stuff its smart and its thinking outside of the box..i read this stuff about batch washing and seperating colors while washing..i think i read it on george z's site or a link on his site..some pics of this process could be helpful to illusrate and document the practices/procedures:thumbup:

 

[SeipJere]

Z paint, (and others)

I know George Z, (Z-paint?) reasonably well. I found him online a couple years ago, and we met in person at a Ben-Moore shin dig a couple months later. (Don't tell the folks at Sherwin and Azko that). I've kept him well informed, and you can find a link to his web site (Eco-painting.ca) on my links page (i.e. http://www.alliedpainting.com/links.html

Please stay tuned.

P.S.

My apologies,to anyone else. The above link(s) should have been http://www.alliedpainting.com/helpingtheplanet.html
and http://www.alliedpainting.com/messageboardalbum.html

Best Regards,

Jeremiah.

 

[SeipJere]

Some good advice from an old friend;

Just thought I would let anyone who's interested in this know; For more current updates on my progress, and to see the direction I'm taking visit my web site and check out the rough notes posted on the message board. It saves me time to keep posts in one location.
Should I neglect this thread, my apologies, I think it will be alright without me.

Best Regards,

J.

:notworthy:

 

[Tonyg]

I have been interested in how I could better handle the waste water after cleaning brushes, etc. I don't clean anything up on a residential customers property, and I don't really like to keep cleaning them up outside, so I end up with a 5gal bucket of dirty water at the end of a day or two.

Right now I recycle my solvents and had thought about using a couple of drums to let the latex paint solids settle before throwing out the water but I'm not sure that would make a huge difference either.

You are definitely thinking proactively but IMO you are way extreme to be practical. I put a lot into making material choices and have tried to get a reputation for using the best and I would not use reconstituted paint on my customers projects. Not only would I be worried about the quality and properties of a 2nd generation paint, I would be afraid that product failure would be more of a liability than an asset. For what appears to be a one man operation to have 100 bins drying out would definitley be impractical for a larger contractor of any size.

I would like to here alternatives and solutions for what is best for disposal of waste water - atleast on a more moderated scale.

 

[SeipJere]

quick response:

Tony,

If I'm not mistaken, right this instant you are using recycled product in almost every major brand. We would have to get some chemists and production folks to chime in on the precise details but certainly: Ben Moore, ICI/akzo-Nobel and S-W all find it very practical to recycle their waste water (binder etc..). They have to deal with the same "problem" they take much the same approach i.e. recycle and re-use. The simpler the better.

The largest ICI (akzo-Nobel) plant close to me now recycles 100% of it's waste water. Not surprisingly, they're quite proud of it. (North GTA i.e. greater Toronto area)

If you want a faster "cheaper" alternative, try using dura-bond or concrete as a hardener. Most of all reduce the amount of water you have in the first place. (See my discription of roller cans and batch washing on my message board. if you start using roller cans (and a good puller) you won't go back; no mater what you do with the water)


Note: It's critical to protect the integrity of the product by hitting it, aggressively with one or more biocide(s) to prevent bacteria growth. I'll try to keep everyone posted.


All the best, and thanks for your interest,

J.

 

[tsunamicontract]

Umm not to sound arrogant but trying to dry the water out of waste paint seems like a really time consuming and expensive and probably impractical idea. The easy, quick, smart way would be a centrifuge. Should be no reason that something like this couldn't get the solids out of your water.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifuge

 

[vermontpainter]

Tony,

If I'm not mistaken, right this instant you are using recycled product in almost every major brand. We would have to get some chemists and production folks to chime in on the precise details...

J.

Seip

Well, as fate would have it, as of very recently we do have a Formulator on staff here at Painttalk who can no doubt describe in excruciating minutiae the particulars of recycled product in the production process, and certainly with more competence than any chemist, production person or venture capitalist.

 

[SeipJere]

Scott (VermountPainter), 11:04 pm, July 23, 2008.

Thanks for lending some credence. Apologize for neglecting the forum. Been busy with exteriors and we've had more rain in the last 10 weeks than almost all of last summer. Buggers up the schedule something fierce.

To the centre-fuge gentleman; bentonite clay , or even common Talc powder will help gravity to do the trick better than it already does. But, in most coatings, we have more than just solids to contend with.

Have to run, all the best;

Thanks again Scott; I'm sure your freind is a good chap to have around,

Jer.

 

[Wolverine]

Are you a customer (BondTite & ChemShield products)?

 

[Wolverine]

Whoops...

I misread that... I thought that you were applying coatings at wastewater treatment facilites...

 

[SeipJere]

Anyone surprised that 300 people have found this worth a peak but thousands are asking: "How much? How much? How much?"

I'm not. Anyhow to the few who count, a tip of the hat.

With that,
I have to run,:yes:.

All the best, happy (Canadian) thanks-giving to all, and thanks again for the interest,

Jeremiah Seip.
AlliedPainting.com
Guelph, Ontario
Canada.

 

[SeipJere]

Seip is Signing Off...(if anyone actually cares)

Just thought I would tip my hat to the few real pros who end up logging on here...It is a good site and has it's uses, unfortunately I can't figure out who I can bill for my time, so I expect I'm cutting back...

Don't expect I'll be missed, but anyone looking for another opinion, from a real journeyman with crap loads of experience and a natural sceptics shrewd detached intellect drop in to (http://www.alliedpainting.com.html) and drop me a line. You'll get a good sense for what my customers seam to like and how I run my business.

Again to the few chaps (and gals) who've earned the title of Journeyman, all the best, To apprentices and newbies, welcome to one of the oldest trades around...you probably don't have a clue...but let me give you one quick lesson: If you think the trade is "easy", I don't think you should plan on making any money...

Again, All the best,

Seip.

 

[SeipJere]

Tsunami, tip of the hat

Tsunami,

Just thought I should acknowledge that, perhaps very soon, solids may be all I have to worry about, (again, as I'm sure you are aware, right now, that's not the case).

Perhaps, next time I'm talking to a freind on the Berkshire payroll, he could confirm the details with Aura, may be the first best option for a centrifuge?

Again, felt obliged to acknowledge that I wouldn't mind getting either a high volume, low operating cost centrifuge for Christmas or a stand alone, low operating cost, R.O. system...But as far as "easy, quick and smart" I'll wait until boxing day to see...

In the mean & most importantly, my customers seam to like what I do.

(p.s. now I'm going to quit the forum, again, cold turkey, again)

all the best, Seip

these are the best smiles I can post with early Google Chrome beta

 

[kjelsvik]

Interested

I've been looking into and trying different ways to treat waste water from equipment cleaning as well. I rarely clean on site unless there is no other option.
Here is a link I found for an interesting concept. Its called Envirowash.

http://www.dulux.com.au/specifier/our-brands/dulux-envirosolutions/envirowash-system

Unfortunately, not available outside Aus yet. However, has me looking into the chemicals used and whether this might be integrated with other systems.

I'm moving to a rural area shortly. I'm concerned about contaminating the water supply, the septic, and the salmon bearing river at the back of the property.

I also think some kind of water treatment can only be good for business.

I'll post any updates as I am able.

 

[Slopmeyer]

Screw all this. I clean up on site for every job. I dont want the crap and painters have done it that way for years. I have bigger things to worry about than water from cleaning a brush.

 

[kjelsvik]

Screw all this. I clean up on site for every job. I dont want the crap and painters have done it that way for years. I have bigger things to worry about than water from cleaning a brush.

I appreciate what you say, but not all job sites have water (at least when we start). Some job sites: cleaning on site just is not an option. If you're working on a rural property: you could be held liable for fixing the clients septic system. BTW...Insurance does not cover this. It's called negligence.
It comes down to a couple different ways of doing business. I charge more for this. If clients don't want it, they go with a lower priced painter. I keep the higher paying projects. It all works out. Thanks for your input.

 

[benthepainter]

G'day Guys
I bought the Enviro Wash unit
A couple of months ago I didn't want to spend the $1300 but now it's great I have it
the new model has an electric pump
So when the unit is full you add the chemicals and they separate the paint leaving the solids at the bottom and the clean water can be put back onto the clients garden. If really fussy you could fill up empty drums with the treated water
And when time to wash gear re use the water : )

 

[benthepainter]

Enviro Wash sink

 

[benthepainter]

Enviro Wash