What part of CT do u live in I'm from the northeast corner

 

What the hell does a BM rep know about how to charge for painting. You need to be charging by the foot or the job.

 

Ben Moore should take care of their own laundry before trying to figure out ours.

A day is not a day is not a day.

Speaking just for me, I bill based on what happened during the day. Not how much time or how many people were in it.

 

That's stupid low I don't care where you live.

 

Most pros that I know, in any trade, have a minimum charge they require in order to take on a job. Everyone's will be different. But in my experience, the lower the numbers in play, the less room for error. The guys that end up doing them are usually a comedy of errors.

Irony.

 

At that rate, no point in having a helper. Break even at best unless you are talking an inexperienced rookie, but then not much of a helper.

 

$425 a day for 2?

Helper $125 / 8 hour day = $15.62 hr

Painter $300 / 8 hour day = $37.50 hr

You would have to pay helper $8 - 9 an hour to break even (then spend time teaching him, fix his work, ect ) for no profit

At $37 an hour for yourself minus taxes, truck, insurance, tools, ect your working for wages :001_huh:

 

I'm in Fairfield county.
I bid at $400.00 for 8 hours, per man. Even at that rate, I feel like I should be charging more.

 

First of all, what tyoe if job title is "helper".

In my experiences, anyone who claims to have a helper, has a strike against them. That is not a job title, "Assistant" would be less demeaning than helper in my opinion, but what do I know. If There are 2 painters, it is the rate for 2 painters. Or a painter and a laborer, or an apprentice etc.

Second of all, anyone who charges per day, what they pay their employee, and no more.. is an idiot.

Third of all, all paint reps I have talked to are in the business of selling paint, not running contracting companies. Just because one clown discloses his bankrupting rates he charges, does not mean that is the going rate.

If I told my local reps what we charge for jobs, they would think I was bull****ting them. I don't talk numbers with anyone though. If the government wants to audit me, that is fine. Otherwise, mind your own business. I never understood why people felt the need to tell people all their business. I am guessing this guy thinks hes getting rich though.. He needs to take a business class...

 

"Does that include the paint?"

 

Well established painter is really cheap working for wages. I am shocked.

 

If I charged 425 a day for me and another I'd be working 4 hour days. Just saying...


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Get yourself a $10.00/ hour helper and go to town......I'd say $500 is better tho....

 

Do what is right for u
Who cares what others are doing or say

 

There ain't too many places in CT that has a cost of living low enough to live on those wages - well maybe someplace like McClaveville or such, but I doubt even that.

Don't listen to anyone who spouts off what "a painter I know" charges, especially a paint mfr rep. If it's not just self serving BS, it's simply ignorance.

Figure out what you need to live on. And if you can't make those wages, seek another trade.

 

:redflag: There is no way a "well established painting contractor" would be working for $300 a day minus expenses. And a $15 an hour helper. :whistling2:

 

Why would I pay $425 when I could hire a painter from an Angies List Deal for $200.


Ryan

 

There are outfits in my town that advertise 800 for 1 painter for the day. So I charge 4-500 and feel like im saving my customers lots of money. The only customers reps talk to couldnt afford to hire a painter is why. I see reps swoop up home owners and start accts alot

 

Why do you care if you save your customers money...they do not care about you

 

I'm just starting out and I feel like $300 for an 8 hr day is a success. I can't wait till that seems like chump change

 

300/day equates to $37.50/hour. If I wanted to be paid that for every hour I spent on business matters (estimates, paper work, supplies, equip maint, etc, etc, etc) I would need to charge $56.25 while at the wall. And that doesn't start accounting for all the other overhead - vehicle, insurances, supplies, equip, etc etc etc.

Sure, if I had NO overhead and just showed up and worked eight hours and went home free of other tasks and responsibilities, that would not be an unreasonable wage.

If you are running a business, may I suggest that you revisit you numbers if you want to stay in business, please.

 

Was talking with my landlord about pricing and a referral he gave me that I didn't win. There were four bidders. I was within $100 of one, the other two were really low. Winning bid was $1500 on a $4k job.

He has been very successful in his refrigeration and hvac business now in his 25th year. Over a decade ago he was on the advisory board for the state certification team. They wanted to add in a few simple business principle type questions to the test.

So they came up with basic questions everyone in business needs to know. There were only 15 questions but when they put them on the test it dropped the pass ratio to 32%.

The governor himself got involved and they were forced to remove the business questions and keep it all technical.

Sad, but its too easy to start a business even though you have no clue how to run a profitable business. I told him painting had to be the easiest business to start.

 

Was talking with my landlord about pricing and a referral he gave me that I didn't win. There were four bidders. I was within $100 of one, the other two were really low. Winning bid was $1500 on a $4k job.

He has been very successful in his refrigeration and hvac business now in his 25th year. Over a decade ago he was on the advisory board for the state certification team. They wanted to add in a few simple business principle type questions to the test.

So they came up with basic questions everyone in business needs to know. There were only 15 questions but when they put them on the test it dropped the pass ratio to 32%.

The governor himself got involved and they were forced to remove the business questions and keep it all technical.

Sad, but its too easy to start a business even though you have no clue how to run a profitable business. I told him painting had to be the easiest business to start.

Ayuh, that was me for the first 10+ years. Worked like a bastige and got nothin' to show for it. I'm hardly much smarter now.:whistling2:

 

...... Started writing something. Didn't know where I was going with it...

 

that's the story of my internet life, I think that's what keeps my post count down :whistling2:

 

So you have lots of referrals and plenty of work charging 45-50% less than your competition?

Unbelievable. Who ever heard of such a thing.

 

300/day equates to $37.50/hour. If I wanted to be paid that for every hour I spent on business matters (estimates, paper work, supplies, equip maint, etc, etc, etc) I would need to charge $56.25 while at the wall. And that doesn't start accounting for all the other overhead - vehicle, insurances, supplies, equip, etc etc etc.

Sure, if I had NO overhead and just showed up and worked eight hours and went home free of other tasks and responsibilities, that would not be an unreasonable wage.

If you are running a business, may I suggest that you revisit you numbers if you want to stay in business, please.

I understand. I'm just saying
For someone starting out, bringing home $300 a day is pretty good. It goes up from there. Figure that's about $1000/wk take home. I can't scoff at that.

 

That was my price when I first started. Actually 35$/hr. It gets your foot in the door and you can gradually raise your rates. After a year I raised it significantly

I think back and wonder if I would still have gotten that work at a higher price at first, and I don't think I would have. And those are rage jobs that allowed me to work while getting my name out there.


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This time of year I'm not even gonna get in my truck for less than a C - note an hour...

 

Funny how this question was asked years ago on another very popular board for painters. The awnsers were pretty much the same and the rates as well. Most and I mean most in my neck of the woods bill out at the same rates as 20 plus years ago and think they are making money .

There's so much info out there right now on how to run a painting business and make a profit. Len Fife, Bian Phillips, PDCA, Craftmans Books , Monroe Porter, Blooging Painters, hell just spend time here on Search options there's enough info to awnser pretty much any painting question asked. Do yourself a favor spend some time reading and learn how to run a business if your to busy now do it in the winter but do it.

 

Unless you are hearing this from the horses mouth I would take that information with a grain of salt