[fusionpaints]

I went yesterday, and signed up with a company who would put my website and contact information as the top listing on googles' search engine in 7 different key phrases.
I was wondering if any of you had ever done something like this before?
And if so, was it a good idea? I have had my webpage for quite awhile and never really promoted it too much, but now I am starting too realize how the computers and internet is really a big thing. It wasn't until we slowed down this winter that I even realized that there is really people making more and more money online than in the field. This is amazing too me. So this company called me and wanted me to pay a (what i think) great deal of money for the top listing in these google search phrases. I did it! Let me know what you guys think!
Hopeful,
Gary

 

[vermontpainter]

How much is a great deal of money?

And I assume this is a pay per click deal, so you pay on top of what you pay them for seo?

 

[fusionpaints]

400 a month, and I do believe he told me that I would not be paying for pay per click, just the flat rate of either 400 a month or 3300 a year

 

[NHS]

Personally I think the best use for a website (mine anyway) is not to get leads, but to help develop them. If your website is listed on business cards, yard signs, trucks or any other advertising you would be surprised at how many people will check you out then. I'm not sold on the fact that a significant amount of people google "painters Podunk USA" to find thier next painter. Depending on how much this will cost, you may be better spending the money on advertising that you can list your website on (again, business cards, signage etc.).

Also as a side note (please don't take offense), but I looked at your website. You may want to eliminate telling how "new" (perceived as inexperienced) you are, the "honest owner" (what else would you be), and the whole bit about improving by "listening to your customers" (I believe I understand what you were trying to convey, but a potential customer may look at it as you correcting things on command). Just my .02 FWIW. Good luck with it.

 

[NHS]

I can think of better ways to develop business for that 400 bones per month.

 

[fusionpaints]

Thanks, I wish I would've thought it through or asked first, but I'll see what happens. Hopefully, it will get me a few good leads anyway so that I don't lose on the deal. Thanks for the side note, I didn't take offense, I probably need the criticism, and the insight. Thanks for the reply

 

[George Z]

Our last bill to Adwords was $1,300
and we pay $600 a month to SEO and do other stuff as well.
There is Pay Per Click to Yahoo, MSN, money to some directories etc.
It works and it is great Return on investment.
120-150 leads a month coming through our website.
Try getting that with any other advertising for that kind of money!

Nobody can be honest and promise you first page, unless it is Pay Per Click.
But you can do that yourself cheaper.

7 different key phrases

what are they, and just seven?
We have hundreds, over a thousand for Pay Per Click.
Keep your money, or use it wisely next time.
Hopefuly, they might bid the right keywords and get you some calls.

 

[alta]

What is the pay per click $ amount for your top ten painting related key words.
Thank You

 

[George Z]

What is the pay per click $ amount for your top ten painting related key words.
Thank You

$1-$2

 

[Housepainter]

Fellow Run! "No one" can guarantee a top position on Google. The average search will have perhaps 12-20 websites listed that are "paid or sponsored" there are about 10-15 links that are websites that will come up for any key search word that are not paid or sponsored. There are millions of web sites for example: the search term home painting =

Results 1 - 10 of about 7,020,000 for home painting.

These companied will get you listed one some page but the search terms are usually for words that few people will be searching.

I have several friends who are in online marketing whose ads or websites do appear on the first pages. many of them spend $400.00 per day to keep their web pages in the top positions.

bottom line unless the company will give you the top "7 keywords phrases" for related to house painting you are wasting $400.00 per month.

 

[Painting4Profit]

Why would anyone use google adwords and pay for a listing in the "home Painting" keyword?? Makes no sense its the world wide web, are you gonna travel the world to paint a home? The more general a keyword or keyword phrase is the higher your gonna pay for each click, and the harder it is to SEO a website. Furthermore, just because there maybe 300,000 - 400,000 monthy searches for "home painting" doesn't mean its worth the cost.

When you consider the fact that those search demands include all types of keyword search phrases that have "home painting" in it. Home painting is the most general of terms. I would suggest if you are gonna do a PPC lead generation that you focus your targeted keywords to a more localized area. Choose keywords that are used in searches by people who are in your service area.

Take this link https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal and type in the city/town you live in (inside the keyword search box) and then add 'house painters' after if. Example: Chicago house painters - you might even try addreviating your state and adding house painters and then fully spelling the state name. Examples: IL house painters or Illinois house painters

The point is if you start focusing PPC campaigns locally and creating a website SEO'd for the area you're servicing. Your money would be better spent. Regardless of what most people think. The Internet is going to be the #1 place for people to find everything they want. That includes painters.

People love their computers, love being online and are becoming smart demanding more information consumers. There will come a time in the very near future that if your business doesn't have a Web presents your not in business in the eyes of the masses.

The great thing is that this means the Internet is gravitating toward a much more localized resource. People are out looking for local information adn resources. Why not spend your SEO money and PPC money targeting what local online market you have. Instead of paying money to get visitors outside your service area.

If all you want is 5000 hits to your website every month reguardless of the fact they and you are not in each others area. Send me $100 a month and I'll get you 10,000 of those types of hits.

Think about the area you service and focus on that - money better invested.

 

[George Z]

Why would anyone use google adwords and pay for a listing in the "home Painting" keyword?? Makes no sense its the world wide web, are you gonna travel the world to paint a home? The more general a keyword or keyword phrase is the higher your gonna pay for each click, and the harder it is to SEO a website. Furthermore, just because there maybe 300,000 - 400,000 monthy searches for "home painting" doesn't mean its worth the cost.

When you consider the fact that those search demands include all types of keyword search phrases that have "home painting" in it. Home painting is the most general of terms. I would suggest if you are gonna do a PPC lead generation that you focus your targeted keywords to a more localized area. Choose keywords that are used in searches by people who are in your service area.

Take this link https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal and type in the city/town you live in (inside the keyword search box) and then add 'house painters' after if. Example: Chicago house painters - you might even try addreviating your state and adding house painters and then fully spelling the state name. Examples: IL house painters or Illinois house painters

The point is if you start focusing PPC campaigns locally and creating a website SEO'd for the area you're servicing. Your money would be better spent. Regardless of what most people think. The Internet is going to be the #1 place for people to find everything they want. That includes painters.

People love their computers, love being online and are becoming smart demanding more information consumers. There will come a time in the very near future that if your business doesn't have a Web presents your not in business in the eyes of the masses.

The great thing is that this means the Internet is gravitating toward a much more localized resource. People are out looking for local information adn resources. Why not spend your SEO money and PPC money targeting what local online market you have. Instead of paying money to get visitors outside your service area.

If all you want is 5000 hits to your website every month reguardless of the fact they and you are not in each others area. Send me $100 a month and I'll get you 10,000 of those types of hits.

Think about the area you service and focus on that - money better invested.

So much typing...lol
You can set your geographical radius to as many miles as you want
from the area you serve.
You can bid "painters" and have it showing only 2 miles from where you are

Why?
Because searches for "Painters" originating from let's say... Toronto
by far outnumber searches for "Toronto Painters" originating from Toronto

 

[sgl666]

Pay Per Click will give you better long term value. Todays top ranking sites are tomorrows history!

http://www.thepaintstore.co.uk

 

[George Z]

Pay Per Click will give you better long term value. Todays top ranking sites are tomorrows history!

http://www.thepaintstore.co.uk

Could you explain?

 

[PressurePros]

I forget the exact stat but from my own listings I get 1500% more clicks from my high ranking keywords than the pay per click campaigns that include the same keywords in them.

The key is going to be waht the keyphrases are and I hate to tell you, 90% of companies offering this type of servcie are scams. If you can terminate yuor contract, you probably want to go ahead and do that ASAP. Here is what I mean. I make the promise to you for seven number one rankings. (Yes, I can make that promise). I pay a blogger with a high PR site $10 and tell him to include the term "high quality painters in blahblahville, Texas" and have him make that whole phrase an active link. The moment Google indeses the bloggers page your site will rank number one for it? How? Why? Because no one else targets that exact keyword phrase. But I email you, Mr Client and say "look what I have done, we have our first number one ranking". You look at it and it seems like a good way to rank, I mean you are a high quality painter in blahblahville. You will be lucky to get 1 hit per year from that ranking. The next keyword I will rank you for will be your business name.. and so on and so on with useless phrases no one will search for. Meanwhile, I have 30 customers that I do this for. I generate $12,000 in income (per month!) and spent $2100 total. Every now and then I may have to do a few hundred dollars in "maintenance" to keep my end of the contract fullfiled.