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Hi everyone. I recently moved to Canada from Europe where I have been a painter for many years. Now here in Canada I am going on my own again and have met some people who can help me get a contract with home builders.

However, I am not familiar with the pricing here. I know painters charge by SQ' for walls. I think it is from $2-2.50 a sq' but I'm not entirely sure.

Now, If I walk into a new house, how do I charge?

Walls priming + 2 coats are by SQ' that I know.
Doors are by piece? Like $40 a door (i.e)
Window and door trims by linear foot or peace?
Baseboards?
Patching and sanding holes on trims and baseboards?
Stair railing and spindles by lin.ft? Do I charge for sanding if needed?
Do I charge for wall patching and sanding and and if yes, how?
Do I charge for paint and other material spent?

If anyone knows prices in western Canada too, that would be very helpful.

Thanks.
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The old, i'm from Europe and was just wondering what you guys charge on this side of the world trick.....huh?
I charge extra in Canada ... a little less in Mexico.
The old, i'm from Europe and was just wondering what you guys charge on this side of the world trick.....huh?

Why would that be a trick and I am not "just wondering" I need to know so I can work.

Get it hag?
Here is the info you need to develop your pricing system.

http://www.contractortalk.com/showthread.php?t=27899

It really comes down to knowing your production rates for various things and going from there. If you do not know, use an educated guess based on your experience, keep track and modify for the next job. Easier said than done. I am still doing the eyeball method of estimating (based on time I think the job will take) but I know that as my business grows, I am going to have to take the time to measure everything very carefully and pay attention to the crew and develop formulas that will help with bidding.

For me, bidding is the most difficult part of the job, especially new construction since it seems to be based arbitrarily on floor square footage and those numbers really do not work well for everyone. Some will do a base price of 2.00/sq ft. of floor, others 4.00/ sq. ft. of flooring, each one not including custom built-in work. One may be using good materials and really going the extra mile on getting the work to as perfect as possible. The other may be using cheap materials and just walking in and shooting two coats on the trim as quick as possible.

For new construction, it really is important that you develop your system and sell that to the builder as why it is the best for his homes. Some builders, are 2.00/sq. ft. builders and cannot fathom why anyone would pay more., others will not be happy with what can be done for that price.
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Why would that be a trick and I am not "just wondering" I need to know so I can work.

Get it hag?
I got ya brother
cost of labor + overhead + materials + reasonable profit= what to f'ing charge. it doesn't change even in australia where the water in the bowl goes down opposite. or in your case canada. get it hag?lol
cost of labor + overhead + materials + reasonable profit= what to f'ing charge. it doesn't change even in australia where the water in the bowl goes down opposite. or in your case canada. get it hag?lol
Damn brother, where have you been? Havn't seen ya in awhile. He had me at post number 1.....lol
i have worked for cookies before
right after you did a bong hit i bet lol:jester:
Do Not work with home builders they will cheat you and you will be unhappy . :no: Do residential repaints. You will meet many nice people and a few jerks. Always get someone, preferably the owner to sign a contract, as it helps keep things in perspective, and well understood.:yes: Do not work for cookies, the jerks will give you the stale ones that no one else wants.:mad: Happy painting, Paul.
Say Florin, what is that, a Sweedish name, just curious. Paul.
I charge extra in Canada ... a little less in Mexico.
Idea! We could send our Mexicans to Canada!
:surrender: :surrender:
Damn brother, where have you been? Havn't seen ya in awhile. He had me at post number 1.....lol
been busy, my pop had an operation so I've had to run both my painting leads and his pest and structural repair leads, oh and run his crews. basically sleep, work, eat, sleep. have you been on your vacation yet?
Do Not work with home builders they will cheat you and you will be unhappy . :no: Do residential repaints. You will meet many nice people and a few jerks. Always get someone, preferably the owner to sign a contract, as it helps keep things in perspective, and well understood.:yes: Do not work for cookies, the jerks will give you the stale ones that no one else wants.:mad: Happy painting, Paul.
Painting with a very broad brush there, don't you think. I'm sure (I know) there have been occassions where people did not get paid. That being said I have done millions of dollars in business with home builders (KB Home, US Home, Lennar, Centex, DR Horton, Engle, Transeastern etc., as well as several local contractors) and to date have yet to be "cheated". Yes on occassion (rare occassion) an invoice or two have taken longer than I would like to get paid, but they have always been paid.
I kinda like the how long it will take me times hr. rate, I still pull out a tape to make it look like I care how many feet are in it, after so long you either already know, or you aint done it enough yet, so keep practisin. Its like anything else, do it long enough and you rarely are off "enough" to make a diff. but there will be those who will say, that in years to come youll have all these half cans of paint laying round, and I say, yea and a mecanic has alotta nuts and bolts laying round too. big deal. make somthing
Thanks for the tips Dean and Crow :)

Paul I know repainting is easier and way more simple but right now I don't know any people that need a painting job. And if I advertise, 1 or 2 houses a months is not good enough. Working for builders is more profitable but yes, more risky too. There is a guy here who doesn't speak any English but he is getting contracts and making quite a bit of money. The trick is he knows how to bid.

Btw, I'm Italian.
I run close to the same on new construction vs. repaints, but I think that is mainly because I do not price my repaints as high as I could. The general consensus here is that repaints pay better than new construction. If you want to make money in new construction, you need to be making money off a crew, you cannot make enough as a one man show doing new work to be worthwhile.
Like HGP says in post #7, I like the old four-fold formula for pricing a job, i.e. labor + materials + overhead + profit.

Of those four costs, the material is the most straightforward and less confused.

The other three vary between individuals and areas.

Having less overhead doesn't necessarily mean one should charge less. But having higher overhead (office, advertising, newer work vehicles etc) likely results in higher chances of landing more jobs at higher prices --which is vital for the business.

I think profit actually is a part of the labor. And the labor is much or less determined by three following factors:

1. Experience (or skills and knowledge): Experience usually comes with all the years.. Having the abilities to get the job done right, nicely, and in less time, is priceless.. I mean, pricey..

2. Clientele: A small (likely wealthy) percentage of the population would pay more for the best of everything. The market one is in shapes/determines one's pricing.

3. Desired Income: "I want, therefore I am"
Of course, in real life one can't always get what one wants.. I'm still working on this one... :)
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Idea! We could send our Mexicans to Canada!
:surrender: :surrender:
I say you fix your own problems, don't send them to us.
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