[Joewho]

Anyone out west here know what is used around a pool area?

Inground pool, high end customer, just wants the 3 ft. area around the pool re-painted.

I talked to a swimming pool supplier, who carries "pool deck paint". Anyone familiar with the product? Anyone know what's comparable or even better?

 

[vermontpainter]

Joe

Whats the substrate? Are you painting concrete? Wood decking?

 

[Joewho]

It's a concrete substrate. Already painted.

Out here, if you say decking, it's automatically pool decking. Out east, of course it's wood.

rumac, national and hot trax are the one's i'm seeing. I'd like to know more about the chemistry of them, and what, if anything is even better.

If anyone wants to jump in, the things going through my head are:

what's on there now? And how do I test it to see if it's oil or not? Will ammonia work on pool deck paint? Or was it alcohol? If it's a water based product, those methods probably won't work, since P.D.P. is resistant to the pool chemicals.

The customer is a concrete contractor. Even though I'm going over a coating, I need to know what I'm talking about.

wonder if there's 1 pt. coating I can use that's equal to or superior to a 2pt. and if it'll go over what's there already.
Wonder if I can avoid using anything that appears to be a concrete coating rather than a coating speficially for P.D.

Wonder what wolverine has?

Thinking outloud, thoughts appreciated.

 

[timhag]

Wonder what wolverine has?

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That was my exact thought when reading the thread. I'm sure he'll be around to give input.

 

[Roadog]

http://www.daichcoatings.com/index.html

 

[Joewho]

oh yeah, another thought, how am I going to prep that surface efficiently without contaminating the pool?

Thanks for the link, didn't look at it yet, but ramuc has a water based product i'm leading towards.

edit: the daich site is updating the coatings section. Can't see anything right now.

 

[Wolverine]

Joewho,

call me on my cell... do you still have the number?

Eric

 

[ibsocal]

Lifedeck.com on the west coast,they have all kinds of good stuff.

 

[YubaPaintPro]

Joewho,
ramuc is a really good product. I can get you in contact w/ my rep for ramuc. great guy and will take the time to be helpful no matter what. he is in calif. i suggest draining the pool, i know it's a hassle, but you ought to pressure wash the substrate and attempt @ getting a profile w/ washing. especially if any of the paint is loose.

 

[Joewho]

It's midnight here, I'll call you tomorrow Wovie. I have something to do early in the morning, so I'll try after that. I remember having this conversation, but we went into liner products.

Yuba, which product do you use for decking? I see all the products, but it looks like they're all for liner. Product chooser doesn't say -decking paint. And the longevity numbers seem to mean the paint lasts that long underwater.
Actually, I would use a liner paint on the decking, if I'm sure of it. I'm worried about color fade, too much build with regard to future coatings, but I have to check that out. I saw that ramuc calls for powerwashing. Didn't like that part, but I still need to find out if that's "normal" for this. Or if there are other alternatives/products to avoid that. I also wonder if it matters what products is on there now?
Lifedeck.com only shows samples of work, no real info there.
Ramuc is available locally, I just want to know as much about this as I can.
I'm trying to be cool, but I can't wait to talk to Eric.

Thanks guys.

 

[ibsocal]

look up westcoat.com,same co as lifedeck just old name.they have better 411 + videos.or give them a call they have distributers all over the west.they will help u out :thumbsup: .

 

[YubaPaintPro]

Joe,
Here is the link. I hope this helps you out. Very good material. I asked my rep what do for prep and he said, "treat it like any other surface you would prep before putting on a latex material."

If you don't know what is on there now, I would put down some 123 or ext. house paint as a test. Do a crosshatch test and see what your adhesion is. If you can get a big enough sample, if not just use your putty knife or quarter to scrape on it. Your only real problem I see for adhesion, is if there is an epoxy on there now.

My rep would like to know how it turned out, so if you have a before/after, you should post the pics. BTW, color fade shouldn't be an issue really. They have a handful of stock colors and it will or should fade pretty evenly I'd think.

www.ramucpoolpaint.com/products.asp?productID=6

 

[Joewho]

I have the home page for the paint. I was looking at the product selector.

The last product to the far right, DS, is that the paint we're talking about?
If so, it only lasts 2 yrs. That's a problem. Now, if DS is not the deck paint, but a stain or something, then the deck paint isn't on the list. And I need to know how long you can expect it to last.

Got home at 4, that would be 7 east coast? Eric didn't answer his phone and the office is closed, so I have to wait to talk to him.

After further review, I'm not going with ramuc pool deck paint. I may go with a hb epoxy, but not the deck paint. The ds and deck paint both are not as durable as I would like. The deck paint will discolor if chlorinated water is left standing on it. And the ds is no better.

 

[YubaPaintPro]

Joe, the page linked is the "acrylic deck coat". It is the product I was referring. I would think a hb epoxy would be "shiny" and most epoxies are poor @ holding color. I hope you find a solution. Don't hesitate to call my rep, he is in CA.

 

[Joewho]

OK Yuba, thanks for taking the time.

I need to consult with the HO some more. I'm not purposely being difficult, but I want to break away from standard thinking on this.

I called a local pool suppy co. and got the double talk about how everyone uses it, it must be good etc. Never did get an answer to my question.

I always try to get info myself because reps will try to sell me and not give me the straight answer I need. I wanted to know how many years the deck paint will last.

Waiting to talk with Eric about 100% solids. That may or may not be the answer. I'd like to do something with him, but it has to fit the job.

 

[ibsocal]

joewho,call lifedeck they will have answer to your requirements and answer your call today and teach u how to do it. also free training on the west :thumbsup: .

 

[Joewho]

Thanks IB,

Right now I'm waiting to get some feedback from the customer.

I've been painting far too long to admit I may need to learn something new:whistling2:

 

[Joewho]

Joewho,

call me on my cell... do you still have the number?

Eric

Eric,

I just tried your cell and office again. Not sure if your time zone is 3 or 4 hours ahead.
Can you give me a call? 702 412 0899

 

[Joewho]

Yuba,

I talked to your guy yesterday. Thanks for putting me in touch with him.

Well, the job is bid and I start in the morning. I'm using ramuc.

Hopefully, no one will be offended, but I'd like to see something better in this situation. The ramuc will last about 2 seasons. To me that's unacceptable. The deck is 40'x4' on two sides and 15'x4' on the other two sides. Ramuc calls for tsp, acid wash and tsp again. Others have suggested draining the pool along with all that prep. For 2 seasons worth of wear?

Now I get what Eric was talking about when he was here. Too bad I couldn't get in touch with him. He was telling me about concrete products and pools. I just needed to get my head wrapped around it. Also, I needed to seperate pool coatings from pool deck coatings. So, I never did reach him, maybe he's mad at me or playing hard to get.

At any rate, before I started this thread, I didn't have a good picture of how this works. I was thinking of epoxy, but wasn't sure it would stand up to the pool chemicals. Now I realize that epoxy fades in sunlight, thanks to Yubas Rep., Larry.

To sum it up, there are no good products for pool decks? I'm not into doing this to the customer just so I have more work 2 yrs. from now. I always, always try to give the customer a long lasting, quality job. That makes em call me back. They can call anyone for a job that lasts 2 yrs. Same converstaion I had with eric. And he's right. There isn't any better solution...yet.

 

[MAK-Deco]

Hey Joe,

Look at it like here in Chicago when doing regular decks, with the extremes in weather your deck just is not going to hold or look that good after 2 years. I don't care what product you put on it. Especially with surfaces that are flat and will be walked on. Rails and such certainly will hold up better then the floors.

Good luck with the job... Pics when your done??