[JA Paint]

I just painted a few ceilings with the newest version of Promar ceiling. Upon closer inspection this morning I noticed that it had some really obvious bleed through on the sheetrock in large sections. The ceilings in this condo are in good shape and no more than 20 years old. I had this same issue happen a few years back and I remember then saying that I would not use this ceiling paint ever again. Same thing happened then....I was just one coating over some latex painted ceilings that were not that old. And it only bleeds through on the open sheetrock areas....not the corners or where the sheetrock has been taped/mudded. It appears the Promar is reacting chemically with what ever coating was used previously. It produces a light yellow stain that almost looks like a water stain, but the ceilings were totally white prior to applying it.

Has anyone here every experienced this with ceiling re-paints on decent ceilings using Promar Ceiling flat white?

 

[Woodco]

maybe nicotine?
It cant be reacting with another coating. There has to be a contaminant.

 

[Mike2coat]

Ive never had any problems with it. Maybe old stains reactivated

 

[Susan]

Is the ceiling popcorn texture? I seent that before with better products than pro-mar.

 

[JA Paint]

It is not popcorn, just flat sheetrock. I think it could be nicotine now that its been mentioned. There was just a slight odor when I looked at the job but the ceilings looked great, so I disregarded it. The bleed through is just a very slight brownish yellow so it makes me think that it was a smokers house at one time.

 

[JA Paint]

Any suggestions on the best latex primer I should use or just go with oil Kilz? I will also be switching back over to BM Ultra Spec flat white for the finish. Thanks!

 

[Susan]

Oil or Shellac for a primer. I wouldn't trust anything else, personally.

 

[celicaxx]

One thing I've had happen is once drywall gets old, regardless of water or smoke/etc damage, the paper's acidity causes it to yellow, like an old book would. I used to only use oil or shellac primer on this kind of yellowed drywall paper, but in my own house recently I decided to try the newer Valspar stainblocking latex bonding primer, and I think I did two coats but it wasn't needed (used two for pointing off after repairs, recoated days later, really important to have 24 hours for latex primers to stain block before recoating) and it blocked the yellow stain from bleeding through. I actually topcoated it with Promar ceiling paint (which I found all right, not as dead flat as the old Masterhide, but bright white...) and it's going to be almost a year later and no bleed through. There were a couple water spots it did well with, too, surprisingly.

I was kinda impressed at this system, that a latex primer did that.

I really don't know what happened in your case, and to me 20 years seems too short, as my house was from the 1970s and I was going over about 50 year old drywall for this yellow acidity thing to happen. But who knows. It could be that the house you were in was never primed with anything substantial, and just topcoated quickly with a ceiling paint, so the paper could have gotten all acidic beneath the paint and your new paint is reactivating it and allowing the acidic yellowing to bleed through.

I personally have a lot good to say about the Valspar primer, but there's a chance it might not work, and we can't really totally know what's going on in your scenario, but my guess is paper acidity coming through somehow.

 

[JA Paint]

So I took a chance on using a latex primer and it worked out! Read some reviews on Kilz Restoration and it worked out for this issue. Whether it was nicotine or something else with the sheetrock itself, I first did a test spot before breaking into a full gallon. So one coat of this primer and one coat of SW Promar ceiling did the trick. Not sure if this primer would work on not on heavier nicotine stains, as these were just light colored stains.

KILZ RESTORATION 1 Gal. White Interior Primer, Sealer, and Stain Blocker L200201 - The Home Depot

New Name, Same Hardworking Formula, KILZ RESTORATION 1 Gal. Primer (Formerly KILZ MAX) is a new generation water-based primer, sealer and stain blocker offering performance of traditional oil and shellac-based

www.homedepot.com

 

[stelzerpaintinginc.]

So I took a chance on using a latex primer and it worked out! Read some reviews on Kilz Restoration and it worked out for this issue. Whether it was nicotine or something else with the sheetrock itself, I first did a test spot before breaking into a full gallon. So one coat of this primer and one coat of SW Promar ceiling did the trick. Not sure if this primer would work on not on heavier nicotine stains, as these were just light colored stains.

KILZ RESTORATION 1 Gal. White Interior Primer, Sealer, and Stain Blocker L200201 - The Home Depot

New Name, Same Hardworking Formula, KILZ RESTORATION 1 Gal. Primer (Formerly KILZ MAX) is a new generation water-based primer, sealer and stain blocker offering performance of traditional oil and shellac-based

www.homedepot.com

Glad it worked for you. It does not work on heavier smoke or nicotine stains though, just fyi.