[JTP]

Hello friends,

Need some advice if you don't mind helping me out. I am in the middle of doing a barn restoration. I have applied a first coat of Cabot's ProVT. Since the span is 40 feet x 60 feet and I am spraying, what technique do you suggest I use to prevent lap marks. Keeping a wet edge is the only way I know to prevent lapping.

I cannot simply wait for overcast days and much of the staining will have to be done in direct and full sun light. Would you use an latex extender like Flotrol?

Any ideas will be helpful. I am using an articulated lift but moving along, even though much faster than moving ladders, still cuts down on my ability to keep a wet edge.

Pictures are from last year. But you get the idea of the size involved. Thanks.

Stan--if you are listening--the exterior brown glue worked out very well so far.

JTP

Thanks all.

JTP

 

[vermontpainter]

JTP

I dont do much exterior spraying these days, and there are guys here that can jump in with more ideas...but since you are a buddy, here are my thoughts:

I am assuming its horizontal clapboard siding on the upper section and just vertical barnboard at the bottom? Or is it vertical all the way and they just havent installed blocking yet in these pics?

I suppose in either case, it doesnt look as if there are any ungodly runs of siding that arent broken up by window openings. While I dont spray much exterior, I do a lot of lift work and can tell you without a doubt that its much better as a two man operation...one guy operating the machine and one guy on the spraying. This reminds me of a barn restoration we did back in the 90's...I'll see if I can find a pic.

 

[vermontpainter]

JT

This is from about '93...before I ever set foot in a lift or owned a sprayer. Did it the good old fashioned way, and I think it took all summer.

I'm glad you are using technology. These things are beasts.

 

[JTP]

Scott-

Supposed to rain all day here tomorrow. But next op, I'll get the updated pictures on line. The lap board runs horizontal. Just the t&g on bottom is run vertical.

Having a driver makes sense. And, that is certainly doable. Appreciate your response my friend.

BTW-- White series 800 ProVT being used for the main and trim out in red--go figure. The owner wants exactly the opposite of the tradiional red body with white accent.

JTP

 

[IHATE_HOMEDEPOT]

Hey whatya know my first post! Painting the boards before they go up would be best.

You would be well off to get yourself a 4'-5' extension with a swivel head ($80) for your gun,that is assuming you are not back brushing. Scott that barn you painted looks Xcellent.

 

[GMack]

I wish you were using the Cabot solid oil instead of the ProVt; it would obviously stay open longer . . .

Are you spraying and backbrushing or just spraying. Either way, don't get too greedy with the sprayer. For example, say it's clapboard siding and you know you can easily spray 10 or more boards per move from where you are. Don't do it. Keep the lift moving accross and spray 4 at a time. (I'm making up the numbers; you know what you can safely do to avoid lap marks) . . . When we spray outside, it's a game of leapfrog: Two guys on two ladders. guy one sprays a section and hands off sprayer to guy two. Guy one brushes out what he just sprayed while guy two is spraying his section. In the meantime, guy one has finished brushing out his section and is off the ladder and moving the ladder around the other side of guy two. As guy one gets back up the ladder on the other side of guy two, guy two hands him the sprayer and finishes brushing out his section. Guy one sprays . . . With four guys, we go around most houses twice in one day.

 

[NEPS.US]

You shouldn't have too many problems with white. The weather conditions may be the most important aspect to spraying it. Not too windy and of course not in the direct sun. Cut it with Flotrol and have at least two guys spraying next to each others(one gun or two guns). One is always spraying while the other is leap frogging around him. Dont spray too much at a time, keep over the ladder, about 6-8 feet high at a time and keep working across. Got too hustle. When you get to about 25-30 feet dump the ladders and get a 20ft extension pole for your gun and finish it up.

 

[vermontpainter]

GM

I thought you would have some good tips...remember a couple of 4th of July's ago when you painted that rather large red barn here in my town (for my former customer!)...

NEPS

JTP is using a lift here and the siding is vertical, so I dont think it should be that difficult to keep wet vertically compared to horizontally...what do you guys think, easier on vertical in terms of maneuvering the lift to stay on top of it?

 

[NEPS.US]

GM

I thought you would have some good tips...remember a couple of 4th of July's ago when you painted that rather large red barn here in my town (for my former customer!)...

NEPS

JTP is using a lift here and the siding is vertical, so I dont think it should be that difficult to keep wet vertically compared to horizontally...what do you guys think, easier on vertical in terms of maneuvering the lift to stay on top of it?

OH ...WELL THEN. ITS A >>>>>>>>>

///////////still add some flotrol.................

 

[vermontpainter]

That looks pretty good

 

[NEPS.US]

Hello friends,



Any ideas will be helpful. I am using an articulated lift but moving along, even though much faster than moving ladders, still cuts down on my ability to keep a wet edge.

JTP

It should be easier too keep a wet edge. The edge you should be worried about is the verticles. Just keep moving horizontal, dont get too fat and dont use a fat tip. Use a new 517 every 25-30 gallons and make sure your pressure is up.

 

[JTP]

Super Suggestions

Thanks for the great ideas and suggestions. I must confess, however, that I am a one man show. I can get a helper to drive the rig around while I spray.

I did think about using oil solid stain instead of the ProVt. It was suggested to me that the ProVT would work just fine, and I think it will as long as I move along and keep that wet edge.

I really will have to do some spraying in direct sun light I think. It would be great to pick and choose the right days for this, but scheduling considerations mean I have to move along. I think I'll try the Flotrol to increase wet edge time and get me a chaffeur for big momma.

The pictures are from last year, but I will update soon with the barn completed. So, can't do any ground work--wood is up and dry.

Addtionally, I am going to try my old paint pot and compresser--the old 2 1/2 gallon pot can lay some paint on. The lap board is smooth pine. The soffits, facia, window trim are all rough sawn--altogether juice suckers. Think I'll just spray with the compressor rig, load up the grain and back brush.

I know the airless will do the same thing, but using the pot will not wear my tips or the piston out. Just bought a Titan for this specific job.

Thanks all. Please keep the suggestions coming. They are truly appreciated.

JTP

 

[GMack]

GM

I thought you would have some good tips...remember a couple of 4th of July's ago when you painted that rather large red barn here in my town (for my former customer!)...

Yep, the thing I remember most is that we were working the 4th of July! BTW, thanks! He's a great customer.

 

[tsunamicontract]

gmack thats brilliant. i never thought past just having a guy leapfroging the ladders for me. maybe I will try that tomorrow, assuming the wind stays in check. Were you running two sprayers or two guns, 1 sprayer? 4 guys leap-spraying or two leapspraying 1 tending the sprayer, one running around masking, doing other stuff?

 

[JTP]

GM

I thought you would have some good tips...remember a couple of 4th of July's ago when you painted that rather large red barn here in my town (for my former customer!)...

NEPS

JTP is using a lift here and the siding is vertical, so I dont think it should be that difficult to keep wet vertically compared to horizontally...what do you guys think, easier on vertical in terms of maneuvering the lift to stay on top of it?

Scott-- The siding is horizontal except for the bottom where it runs vertically. Two and 1/2 stories the siding runs horizontal. Knew I should have taken pictures today--as they say they are worth a words.

JTP

 

[NEPS.US]

Thanks for the great ideas and suggestions. I must confess, however, that I am a one man show. I can get a helper to drive the rig around while I spray.

I did think about using oil solid stain instead of the ProVt. It was suggested to me that the ProVT would work just fine, and I think it will as long as I move along and keep that wet edge.

I really will have to do some spraying in direct sun light I think. It would be great to pick and choose the right days for this, but scheduling considerations mean I have to move along. I think I'll try the Flotrol to increase wet edge time and get me a chaffeur for big momma.

The pictures are from last year, but I will update soon with the barn completed. So, can't do any ground work--wood is up and dry.

Addtionally, I am going to try my old paint pot and compresser--the old 2 1/2 gallon pot can lay some paint on. The lap board is smooth pine. The soffits, facia, window trim are all rough sawn--altogether juice suckers. Think I'll just spray with the compressor rig, load up the grain and back brush.

I know the airless will do the same thing, but using the pot will not wear my tips or the piston out. Just bought a Titan for this specific job.

Thanks all. Please keep the suggestions coming. They are truly appreciated.

JTP

You might be there a while with that pot. ...The paint one. The airless and backroll the boards should go fine even if your alone in the bucket. Just work 6 feet at a time and dont forget the sunblock!

 

[GMack]

gmack thats brilliant. i never thought past just having a guy leapfroging the ladders for me. maybe I will try that tomorrow, assuming the wind stays in check. Were you running two sprayers or two guns, 1 sprayer? 4 guys leap-spraying or two leapspraying 1 tending the sprayer, one running around masking, doing other stuff?

One sprayer . . . depending on the setup of the side you're on, you work it different ways but usually you'll have two guys up high on the extensions doing the leapfrog thing. If there is a lot of cutting and tight spaces down low then you have a couple guys cutting around it all (lights, small sections of clapboard, etc) with their brushes. If it's wide open down low then the sprayer gets passed down and back up. And like NEPS said, you HUSTLE. We'll be spraying one on wednesday with a pretty green crew but by the end of the summer, they'll have it down pat.

 

[NEPS.US]

One sprayer . . . depending on the setup of the side you're on, you work it different ways but usually you'll have two guys up high on the extensions doing the leapfrog thing. If there is a lot of cutting and tight spaces down low then you have a couple guys cutting around it all (lights, small sections of clapboard, etc) with their brushes. If it's wide open down low then the sprayer gets passed down and back up. And like NEPS said, you HUSTLE. We'll be spraying one on wednesday with a pretty green crew but by the end of the summer, they'll have it down pat.

1 guy working ahead covering windows, shrubs ect
1 guy cutting
1 guy humping ladders and paint
2 guys spraying and leapfroggin'

 

[GMack]

1 guy working ahead covering windows, shrubs ect
1 guy cutting
1 guy humping ladders and paint
2 guys spraying and leapfroggin'

We have a name for the guys tying off the shrubs, masking lights, and moving the sprayer setup: Ground Pounders.

 

[vermontpainter]

We call them Timhags