Okay Buddy, We're on it. :thumbsup: :no:He is a real painter. Just because he starts his business differently than anyone else doesn't make him less a painter than the rest. Quit bust-n his chops for pete sake.... Give him some room to grow and experience his techniques and skills. Help him out instead of put him down. Helping him out doesn't mean you need to kick him in the nards so hard that he can't get up.... Help the kid out! :thumbsup: He's here because he wants help in a trade he doesn't know much about.... that's obvious. So, lets help him.
Re-post of Exterior Barn paint
Ok, I am going to try this again. I don't want any one tearing my pics apart, your I will have this post removed like I did with the last one. Also I don't want any name calling.:no:
I am painting a Barn with 6 dormers, 2 cupolas, and 2 barn doors (not pictured)
I am scrapping, power washing, 1 coat of primer and 1 coat of Berh deep base exterior paint.
Since the last post I had removed, I have finished one dormer and started priming the other dormer.
Customer is happy so far and complimenting on the work.
Once I am finished with one side I will post the completed pics.
I am painting a Barn with 6 dormers, 2 cupolas, and 2 barn doors (not pictured)
I am scrapping, power washing, 1 coat of primer and 1 coat of Berh deep base exterior paint.
Since the last post I had removed, I have finished one dormer and started priming the other dormer.
Customer is happy so far and complimenting on the work.
Once I am finished with one side I will post the completed pics.
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Okay Buddy, We're on it. :thumbsup: :no:
2 coats especially because its behr. Whites are the painters uniforms. Enough said.Sev,
yeah... Behr isn't really any good. And another thing, even though you put on a coat of primer, you still need two coats of paint and that is for most paint products, not just behr. Read the label on the can for the specs you need in order to validate the warranty of the paint most require two coats.
As for painters whites... that is just another tale of a story. I hate whites and Behr paint but yet I am a professional painter like the rest around here. Don't let Tsunami pull your leg so hard... :thumbsup: Painters whites are for hard core old schoolers (generally)...
Its not how he starts his business, its that he doesn't really know anything about painting and is out undercutting real painters. THough in the long run he is probably making more work for them . . . But Jason, I have given Sev more useful advice than most on this site. But he really might consider working for an established, reputable painting contractor first.He is a real painter. Just because he starts his business differently than anyone else doesn't make him less a painter than the rest. Quit bust-n his chops for pete sake.... Give him some room to grow and experience his techniques and skills. Help him out instead of put him down. Helping him out doesn't mean you need to kick him in the nards so hard that he can't get up.... Help the kid out! :thumbsup: He's here because he wants help in a trade he doesn't know much about.... that's obvious. So, lets help him.
That may be true, it still doesn't justify bust-n his chops..... I have given Sev more useful advice than most on this site. ....
That's only a matter of opinion. Not fact. Just because everyone jumps off the bridge doesn't make it right.Whites are the painters uniforms. Enough said.
Sev,...is out undercutting real painters.
Is that true? Tsunami says your out there undercutting painters... help us here to understand this assumption of Tsunami's... or is he right?
Sev, after all your posts that I read, I never came up with the thought that your undercutting "real" painters. Huh.. who'da thunk...
What's the "real" story?
Jason, that is why I asked him what he was charging. Why would the other painter be just doing the windows otherwise? Not the whole thing?
What's that got to do with undercutting? Two folks on the job will get the job done sooner. If i recall, Sev mentioned a deadline. If one guy does only windows and the other only dormers then that is good production practice. What is the issue here? So what if they are different contractors.. that's the HO's business ey?Jason, that is why I asked him what he was charging. Why would the other painter be just doing the windows otherwise? Not the whole thing?
Thanks Jason.
No I am not undercutting any painter, so my rates are cheaper, I have to be cheaper to get my name around. So I am not charging $80 to $100 an hour. Oh my god, call me a hack, because I am only charging $25 and hour. Its business, and for a new guy trying to get off his feet, I think it works fine.
Has for having two paint contractors on one job, whats wrong with that. If there is a deadline, that job has to be done. The HO as a wedding in the barn on Sept. 1st, so I think there is nothing wrong with having two paint contractors working, plus this is a good thing for me, as I might get more work from the other paint contractor, so it all works out.
No I am not undercutting any painter, so my rates are cheaper, I have to be cheaper to get my name around. So I am not charging $80 to $100 an hour. Oh my god, call me a hack, because I am only charging $25 and hour. Its business, and for a new guy trying to get off his feet, I think it works fine.
Has for having two paint contractors on one job, whats wrong with that. If there is a deadline, that job has to be done. The HO as a wedding in the barn on Sept. 1st, so I think there is nothing wrong with having two paint contractors working, plus this is a good thing for me, as I might get more work from the other paint contractor, so it all works out.
Sev
You are running a "special" on your website: "Get any two rooms painted for $200, regardless of size."
Thats good pricing.
You are running a "special" on your website: "Get any two rooms painted for $200, regardless of size."
Thats good pricing.
Thanks vermont, considering all paint and supplies come out of that.
Its even better pricing if it includes all paints and supplies. Very interesting marketing strategy. You dont ever feel like thats cheap or undercutting professionals do you?Thanks vermont, considering all paint and supplies come out of that.
the special I have yes, that's cheap, but normally I charge $300 for a room.
I couldn't agree more. Those of you who feel he is undercutting "real painters", I got news for you. There are a million more just like him out there, and we have no way of telling them that they are doing it all wrong. Everyone out there started off differently. I'm sure some were better off than others in the beginning, but we all had to be newbies like it or not. At least he is here to learn. Most are too ignorant to even sign onto the internet, or know to seek out help and knowledge. He gets points from me for sticking around and trying to better himself and his job. If he doesn't learn, then he will fail and move on to something else. Maybe I'm just getting old and soft, or maybe I'm trying to redeem myself from all the bad stuff I did when I was younger, but I'd much rather be remembered as the guy who tried to help out the new guys than the guy who berated them into the ground until they wrapped their HVLP hose around their neck and jumped from the barn roof.He is a real painter. Just because he starts his business differently than anyone else doesn't make him less a painter than the rest. Quit bust-n his chops for pete sake.... Give him some room to grow and experience his techniques and skills. Help him out instead of put him down. Helping him out doesn't mean you need to kick him in the nards so hard that he can't get up.... Help the kid out! :thumbsup: He's here because he wants help in a trade he doesn't know much about.... that's obvious. So, lets help him.
For those of us who have been in this trades for a couple decades, we are in the unique position of being able to help young guys out from making all the same mistakes we did. I sure wish there were forums like this out there when I started out. God knows I botched many decisions along the way. I'm not saying we have to take major time out of our lives to be a mentor, but it sure can't hurt to type out a couple encouraging words and steering someone in the right direction. At least he's an American for Christs sake.
*jumps off my soapbox, carry on*
Very touching post though, PWG, maybe it will inspire some goodwill on PT :whistling2:I couldn't agree more. Those of you who feel he is undercutting "real painters", I got news for you. There are a million more just like him out there,
This is very true PWG. There is an endless supply of them
At least he is here to learn.
I, for one, honestly feel like he is not trying to learn. He takes everything we say as an attack or a joke and he should be reading every thread on here trying to gather as much info as possible instead of posting every two seconds.[/I]
:thumbsup::notworthy::thumbup:I couldn't agree more. Those of you who feel he is undercutting "real painters", I got news for you. There are a million more just like him out there, and we have no way of telling them that they are doing it all wrong. Everyone out there started off differently. I'm sure some were better off than others in the beginning, but we all had to be newbies like it or not. At least he is here to learn. Most are too ignorant to even sign onto the internet, or know to seek out help and knowledge. He gets points from me for sticking around and trying to better himself and his job. If he doesn't learn, then he will fail and move on to something else. Maybe I'm just getting old and soft, or maybe I'm trying to redeem myself from all the bad stuff I did when I was younger, but I'd much rather be remembered as the guy who tried to help out the new guys than the guy who berated them into the ground until they wrapped their HVLP hose around their neck and jumped from the barn roof.
For those of us who have been in this trades for a couple decades, we are in the unique position of being able to help young guys out from making all the same mistakes we did. I sure wish there were forums like this out there when I started out. God knows I botched many decisions along the way. I'm not saying we have to take major time out of our lives to be a mentor, but it sure can't hurt to type out a couple encouraging words and steering someone in the right direction. At least he's an American for Christs sake.
*jumps off my soapbox, carry on*
Im glad someone finally said it, I cant beleive how childish some of you act around here, that are regulars, very funny but at the cost of another human being who came looking for help, :no:, crying shame, are you the same guys that used to take lunch money from the little kids at school, give me a brake, we are here to help, if you dont like something dont post. If you dont want to help dont post.
Sev good for you sticking around, thier is good stuff here to learn.
Maybe the site should have a "Newbie" section or a "how to paint" section or a "DIY'er Painter wanna be" .
This guy was given advice on product. He said Behr was fine and one coat looks good. I dont think one "real" professional contractor here would agree with that statement.
Sev has opened up the most ridiculous threads I've ever seen and been given all the help in the world and still has no clue. Two rooms for $200.00. I have more respect for an immigrant charging correct rates than a guy like this that doesnt know how to paint or run a business. You post a bunch of crap then you should be prepared for what follows. He doesnt want to learn anything. He posted that barn to try to impress us. Sorry, but thats not going to happen.
You want to feel good aboput helping someone go donate your time at a homeless shelter or a childrens hospital.
This guy was given advice on product. He said Behr was fine and one coat looks good. I dont think one "real" professional contractor here would agree with that statement.
Sev has opened up the most ridiculous threads I've ever seen and been given all the help in the world and still has no clue. Two rooms for $200.00. I have more respect for an immigrant charging correct rates than a guy like this that doesnt know how to paint or run a business. You post a bunch of crap then you should be prepared for what follows. He doesnt want to learn anything. He posted that barn to try to impress us. Sorry, but thats not going to happen.
You want to feel good aboput helping someone go donate your time at a homeless shelter or a childrens hospital.
I don't like to bash people on here (except for Tim). But I really do not feal bad for Sev here. He is that guy that lets the homeowners think he's the same apple as the rest, but cost ALOT less. Then turns around to give them half the job others would've with 1/4 the quality. We deal with them every day in person & have no respect for them or care to help them in any way. Why should it be any different online? If they need education on EVERYTHING, then they need to goto school & work as an apprentice rather than depend so greatly on the internet for their knowledge. I mean this is basic crap most of us knew before even thinking about becoming a painting EMPLOYEE at 16 years old. Yeah lets shed a tear for Sev now. 
I have learned so much from the people on here and put all those tools to use. I am a much better businessman and painter due to this site. When people like sev come around, it is very difficult to share because they just don't get it. Sorry for those who don't like my thoughts but, they are what they are.
Would be much different if these types of people would take what they learn and run with it. They only post trash and take away from the REAL fun......Learning.
Would be much different if these types of people would take what they learn and run with it. They only post trash and take away from the REAL fun......Learning.
I have no problem trying to help other members. In fact I have talked to several members over email and on the phone offering up as much advice as I could offer. When a joker like this comes along it's a shooting gallery.
Neps and V have helped me on several occasions via email and phone. If it wasn't for them, I would be in alot of trouble.:yes: NEPS and V are true professionals and friends just as many others here.:thumbsup:I have no problem trying to help other members. In fact I have talked to several members over email and on the phone offering up as much advice as I could offer. When a joker like this comes along it's a shooting gallery.
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