[unwise]

home builder is asking me to bring my estimate bid fill out and i dont know how to charge him for trims, rails, crown molding, cabinets and exterior work. if someone have idea or form where i can find out fill out so that i can give the home builder my bid form...he is waiting to hear from me asap...

thankss.s.....

 

[ProWallGuy]

i dont know how to charge him for trims, rails, crown molding, cabinets and exterior work.

If you don't know what to charge, how do you expect to be able to fill any form out?

 

[cole191919]

Are you asking how to estimate or an estimate document or both?...

 

[slickshift]

Uh oh...from the other thread I'm thinking maybe unwise thinks there's a "rates sheet" that we all use?

unwise, maybe you better spell out exactly what it is you are looking for

 

[unwise]

well he wants me to list the things...

he wants me to list down what i charge and i dont know what else he gets in his houses that he is building..for example he is got a 1600 sq ft house he wants me to paint it is new home...All the doors and the frames windows and the trims...he also wants me to spray the cabinets and gets 3 coats and some of the house have bigger cabinets and i dont know what to charge also some of the house have 2 crown moldings and some of them have more than 2 crown moldings...so i need help

If you don't know what to charge, how do you expect to be able to fill any form out?

 

[unwise]

Both

i need both

Are you asking how to estimate or an estimate document or both?...

 

[Rich]

unwise, do you own a painting company? what is your background in the painting field? just curious, not trying to belittle you

 

[slickshift]

i need both

Rhut Rhoe....

 

[unwise]

just started

well i just started painting company and i go to builders and they are requesting me to bring a document for like what i charge for painting trims walls ceilings cabinets rails spindles etc..

unwise, do you own a painting company? what is your background in the painting field? just curious, not trying to belittle you

 

[Rich]

I have no clue...when I was painting full time, even when I worked for a builder now and then, I was only required to give insurance and W9.

Sounds like he's trying to get you to shoot out a low number or something. Maybe he just means, how much you charge per hour.

So, why do his questions confuse you? Didn't you research for a while before you started this "painting company"?

 

[timhag]

Unwise......get out of the field while you can, it's not good for you at the moment. You really need to learn what you are doing instead of jumping in not knowing whats going on around you. Call the GM and tell him you quit.

 

[cole191919]

I wouldn't give out my price sheets, for all you know he could give that to the next guy and tell him to beat it. I would start with doing a full out estimate on the house, and then give him the estimate with a detailed breakdown of what different aspects of the job will cost.

Now... what you would charge for each of the different aspects is another story. You spraying the trim? Figure out a price /square foot for the cabinets, and a price /linear foot for the trim and crown moldings.

 

[Housepainter]

I will provide a basic formula for you:

at least for trim, someone may be able to provide for cabinets..

take the lineal feet "LF" then multiply by the fractional decimal 4 inch trim,
crown, etc =.33 6 inch = .50 etc. be sure to include the door frames..

example: 1000 LF with 4 inch trim (.33) =330 SqFt
So
330 sq ft divided by coverage of paint 400 = .83 gallon ronded up = 1 gallon paint fpr 1 coat.

Now for labor:
Determine how many feet of trim you can paint in one hour.
divide that number into 330 sqft. = hours required

Now multiply the hours required by your hourly base per manhour

That figure will represent what it cost for manhours for 330 sqft of 4 inch trim... 1 coat remember to add the cost of paint, and supplies. etc.

repeat the process for additional coats adjusting the factor to meet your speeds.

 

[Housepainter]

Oh I forgot to say: never give out your basic rates not even to your competition. Also when I am asked about rates off the cuff....
I simply say I will need to see the job, or see the plans to provide a fair price to you.

Sale the quality...not the price...

 

[Chameleon]

Unwise......get out of the field while you can, it's not good for you at the moment. You really need to learn what you are doing instead of jumping in not knowing whats going on around you. Call the GM and tell him you quit.

:laughing::laughing::laughing: ! Thats good advise ya know !

 

[Chameleon]

That is a way to get you to give up your lowest prices...on the spot, so he can hold them to you, and other bidders. Poor tactic ! Anyway, it's none of his friggin business what your charge per hour.....ask him would you like a bid or not ? There are many books on estimating, or become keen on your experience and use that as a factor. Time X Materials X P & O = what he is going to pay.

 

[NEPS.US]

I will provide a basic formula for you:

at least for trim, someone may be able to provide for cabinets..

take the lineal feet "LF" then multiply by the fractional decimal 4 inch trim,
crown, etc =.33 6 inch = .50 etc. be sure to include the door frames..

example: 1000 LF with 4 inch trim (.33) =330 SqFt
So
330 sq ft divided by coverage of paint 400 = .83 gallon ronded up = 1 gallon paint fpr 1 coat.

Now for labor:
Determine how many feet of trim you can paint in one hour.
divide that number into 330 sqft. = hours required

Now multiply the hours required by your hourly base per manhour

That figure will represent what it cost for manhours for 330 sqft of 4 inch trim... 1 coat remember to add the cost of paint, and supplies. etc.

repeat the process for additional coats adjusting the factor to meet your speeds.

 

[slickshift]

well i just started painting company and i go to builders and they are requesting me to bring a document for like what i charge for painting trims walls ceilings cabinets rails spindles etc..

Well, yes....you really need to figure out what to charge before you start your painting company

It's like starting a computer company, and building some computers, and trying to sell them to Best Buy, and Best Buy asking you how much, and then you asking Dell and Apple and Toshiba and HP how much you should charge
They wouldn't know how much it cost you to build them, what your overhead is, what your needs are....

Do you know your production rates?
Like how long it takes you to paint a window, or 10 feet of trim or wall?
You'll need to know these things...and much more
But we'll start with production rates
Do you know yours?

 

[cole191919]

I agree. There really is no point in even estimating a job unless you do know how long it will take, or even an approximation at least. When a GC or homeowner tells you they want this done in a week, you have to be able to tell them whether or not its possible.

And its also personal in a sense that I might paint 5 times faster than Joe Blow. Or slower. I can't tell you to tell your contractor that it takes 1 hour to put a coat on a 15' by 10' room with 8 foot ceilings (just an example by the way). Because it might take you 2, 4 or 6 hours. Who knows.

 

[unwise]

thank you guys for helping me out. i got some ideas from you guys...thanks again