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I have used Scuff X on a few jobs recently and on four sets of bathroom vanities. I loved it! Very nice finish and appears to be extremely hard. Are folks having success with this product on kitchen cabinets? Considering using it on an upcoming bookcase project. Wondering if it is durable enough. Been using cabinet coat and advance. Thanks much!

 

[fromthenorthwest]

Yes scuff-x works great for cabinets. We used it on 15 or so kitchens. Last winter I got a bad batch though and haven't used it since then.

 

[NACE]

Yes scuff-x works great for cabinets. We used it on 15 or so kitchens. Last winter I got a bad batch though and haven't used it since then.

what was wrong with the batch?

 

[fromthenorthwest]

what was wrong with the batch?

I was getting tiny fish eyes that would start to pop up shortly after application. I thought it was a spray thing but to my surprise it also happened when brushing. I got a can of Advance and everything went on fine. I ended up getting refunded 10 gallons through my BM rep. He said there had been a similar problem with a local millwork supplier that was using Scuff-X.

I should say though, the cans were actually from three different batches, so to say it's a bad batch may not be entirely accurate. More so I got some bad cans, or maybe there was multiple bad batches. This was in November so I wondered if maybe the product had gotten too cold somewhere in shipment.

 

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I was getting tiny fish eyes that would start to pop up shortly after application. I thought it was a spray thing but to my surprise it also happened when brushing. I got a can of Advance and everything went on fine. I ended up getting refunded 10 gallons through my BM rep. He said there had been a similar problem with a local millwork supplier that was using Scuff-X.

I should say though, the cans were actually from three different batches, so to say it's a bad batch may not be entirely accurate. More so I got some bad cans, or maybe there was multiple bad batches. This was in November so I wondered if maybe the product had gotten too cold somewhere in shipment.

What do you use now for cabinets? Will you go back to scuffx? Thx!

 

[finishesbykevyn]

I've been using it for darker colours like Kendall Charcoal/Hale Navy because of the quick setup, block time. It doesn't brush/ roll nearly as good as Advance but sets up quicker. Not sure on longevity, hand oils etc. Command is also really good in dark colours for blocking time, although I can confirm that hand oils do break it down..atleast head oils. I did my headboard in Black Command and paint got really soft around head area. Maybe I just have a greasy head.

 

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This is what I was thinking of using Scuffx on. Just concerned it will not hold up under sliding books on and off and little fingers over time. Typically I would use advance or CC. But, Scuffx may hold up too. I’ll be spraying it.

 

[DeanV]

I had a micro bubble issue recently and the store had some defoamer onhand from a bad batch that was short on defoamer. But, when that batch was in the stores, not one had complained. I added that to my gallon and microbubbles went away.

 

[fromthenorthwest]

What do you use now for cabinets? Will you go back to scuffx? Thx!

I've used Renner on the last couple cabinet jobs and at least for me I'm able to get much better results. I'm not a coatings expert, but from my understanding they are also designed for cabinetry and are supposed to hold up better to hand oils. Although it's more than twice the cost and you have to get it shipped in so it's more of a hassle in that regard.

I would use scuff-x again, but probably not on a high-end kitchen. These cabinet designed coatings are just a lot easier to use in my experience, especially for a guy who just uses an airless (me).

 

[thepm4]

I've used Renner on the last couple cabinet jobs and at least for me I'm able to get much better results. I'm not a coatings expert, but from my understanding they are also designed for cabinetry and are supposed to hold up better to hand oils. Although it's more than twice the cost and you have to get it shipped in so it's more of a hassle in that regard.

I would use scuff-x again, but probably not on a high-end kitchen. These cabinet designed coatings are just a lot easier to use in my experience, especially for a guy who just uses an airless (me).

I want to try out Renner...i learned there is a dealer close by...
Plus, the topcoat cost is basically small, so why not go for the best coating one can attain without a major deal.

 

[fromthenorthwest]

I want to try out Renner...i learned there is a dealer close by...
Plus, the topcoat cost is basically small, so why not go for the best coating one can attain without a major deal.

I agree, and If you have a dealer close by even better. I have to get it shipped in from Ca which takes two to three days.

 

[finishesbykevyn]

This is what I was thinking of using Scuffx on. Just concerned it will not hold up under sliding books on and off and little fingers over time. Typically I would use advance or CC. But, Scuffx may hold up too. I’ll be spraying it.

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I personally wouldn't trust any of those to hold up on a bookshelf. If you go that route I would just roll a coat of Clear on the shelving after to protect the paint.

 

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I personally wouldn't trust any of those to hold up on a bookshelf. If you go that route I would just roll a coat of Clear on the shelving after to protect the paint.

I think you are right and decided to go otherwise. Many thanks!

 

[PaintedbyStephen]

Here’s my 2¢: I’ve used Scuff-X on cabinets, it does set quickly which is nice. The eggshell finish looks perfect for cabinetry, would probably bump up to satin for trim. I’ve used the matte on walls, and it goes on really nice, rolls really smooth and you feel like there’s a good coat of paint on there after you roll a wall or room. It doesn’t feel thin like Regal if you know what I mean.

However, I personally believe that each product was formulated for a specific reason, especially with Benjamin Moore. Scuff-X was formulated as a commercial wall paint to resist scuffing (ie. gyms, schools, scuff prone areas). Scuffing and getting dirty are not the same thing. I have seen a few tests done from other pro painters who tested not only the scuff resistance, but the overall durability as a whole.

The outcome was what I was afraid of: scuff-resistant? Yes. Durable? Ehhh… So if I’m using it in a home, I MAY use it for trim, but definitely won’t be using it for cabinets again. Really, not best used for components that will get dirty and be washed regularly (for example, it’ll probably get washed off of trim and cabinetry, walls too, after extended cleaning).

So, is it a good product? I have no doubt! Is it best for cabinets and heavy wear places like trim and doors? Probably not. Honestly my go to is Breakthrough v250 satin for everyday trim packs and cabinets. Advance takes too long to dry when I’m trying to make money on project turnaround. Breakthrough dries super fast and hard, sticks well without primer in a lot of situations, and has a much nicer finish than BM Command. I do love some Impervo though 😁 That’s reserved though for clients who will pay for the time and material to use the good stuff and get the best product for their money. Unless we’re talking 2k, but that’s a whole different setup…