[painttofish]

I have a very large Ipe deck that belongs to a high end customer. The previous penetrating stain (of course) didn't penetrate and is 80% gone. I have used Penofin and Aussie Timber Oil on smaller decks in the past and have seen similar results. Does anyone (pressure pro?) have a product that performs better? I am thinking Sikkens.

P2fish.

 

[michfan]

sikkens

i have heard that the sikkens products are supposed to be better than aussie oil and penofin. I tell ya those decks are a constant maintenance issue

 

[tsunamicontract]

i have heard that the sikkens products are supposed to be better than aussie oil and penofin. I tell ya those decks are a constant maintenance issue

I love that the exotic hardwood decks are supposed to be more maintenance free, too.

 

[NACE]

I have had good luck with the Benjamin Moore Hardwood Finish C321 on Ipe, Teak, and Mahogany. We used it on some Teak platforms at the marina, as well as on some boats, and we got two years from two coats, wet on wet, versus 6 months to one year with some other products like Cabots, Sikkens, Fine Paint of Europe, Cetol Spar Varnish etc. This was by far the best color retention. Worked more like an adhesive stain than a penetrating stain like they say. We thinned first coat with acetone, then second coat while still a little tacky.

 

[painttofish]

Thanks nace, where are you located? Exposed decks or covered?

 

[slickshift]

I have had good luck with the Benjamin Moore Hardwood Finish C321 on Ipe, Teak, and Mahogany. We used it on some Teak platforms at the marina, as well as on some boats, and we got two years from two coats, wet on wet, versus 6 months to one year with some other products like Cabots, Sikkens, Fine Paint of Europe, Cetol Spar Varnish etc. This was by far the best color retention. Worked more like an adhesive stain than a penetrating stain like they say. We thinned first coat with acetone, then second coat while still a little tacky.

Interesting
I would also like some more information
Decks on the water out here are a bit tricky
I would not even considered a BM product for them

Why did you thin with acetone?

 

[MAK-Deco]

I think Ken for PP recommends something for hardwood, (not sure what) I don't think that Sikkens makes anything specific for hardwoods, I have used penofin myself in the past. But admit that i don't do many hardwoods.

 

[spectrum]

Exotic hardwood

I have faithfully used Penofin Exotic hardwood formula for Ipe and have consistantly been disappointed in the color retention and overall performance of this product. I have also used TWP and experienced similiar results. I have also tried Defy water based Hardwood formula and cannot acheive more than 6 months. I am at a loss when it comes to exotic hardwoods. Nothing seems to penetrate, provide color retention and water reppellency for more than 6 months. I am about to try Sikkens SRD on a Penofin failure. (for free) The Benjamin Moore product may be worth a try. What I have found works best............gray semi transparent oil stains.

Paul from Spectrum

 

[NACE]

All the decks we did have direct exposure. Some of the platforms we did are on boats that sit in the water from April thru November and then some are shrink wrapped and others are just hauled. Ipe deck is at a Marina on Long Island Sound. Some of the deck has Teak and Mahogany furniture, Mahogany doors etc. I used aecetone on an all Mahogany Deck in Weston CT becasue it is a faster flashing solvent and we wanted the C321 to dry quicker for a party the homeowner was having over the weekend. The OTC/VOC compliant C versions here in CT have only 250 g/liter of VOC, which means thicker more viscous coatings that are harder to apply, need to be applied thinner, and struggle to dry especially with humidity or dew points that are high. In addition, tighter grain areas tend to flash with the compliant stains. Aecetone helps it dry quicker and virtually eliminates flashing and slow dry.

 

[painttofish]

Ken must be busy. Maybe I will PM him

 

[spectrum]

Paul from Spectrum

On the subject of staining and preserving Mahogany Decks...I continue to be dissapointed with the longetivity of the products I have been using, which have been Penofin Exotic hardwood formula and TWP 500 series preserving oil . We are only getting 3 months before they look faded and sun bleached, although they still bead water. The challenge is the density of these woods. They are so tight, that they absorb very little oil, therefore, very little pigment and UV protection.

I just received my 3rd customer complaint this year using TWP. I am now refreshing these 3 IPE decks with a single coat of preserving oil stain at no charge. I will not be using TWP or Penofin.

NACE has given me reason to try Benjamin Moore's new hardwood oil. I also picked up some Ducks Back preserving oil stain for Hardwoods as well.

Any other product suggestions for preserving hardwood decks from other members? I am grabbing for straws on this one. Has anyone had any experience with One Time Wood ? I beleive it is a waterborne product, which would not be my first cholice on hardwoods.

 

[painttofish]

This is a Mahogany we just finished. We used BM Hardwood Mahagony stain. First pick is before, second after strip and neutralize (PH balance). We applied with big stainer brushes and used a lambswool applicator (dry) to mop up whatever didn't penetrate. I'll let you guys know how how she fairs.

 

[vermontpainter]

That looks nice. What BM product is it? Also, is it a solid stain?

 

[oakley]

Look at Sikkens SRD. The key is the prep which includes a wipedown with lacquer thinner immediately before applying the product to remove the naturally occurring oils. Still expect to do it once a year.

 

[painttofish]

Thanks, It is BM Hardwood finish. It is transparent but highly pigmented. I have tried most of the hardwood specific stains and have had unimpressive results. I will be stopping by to take a few pics of the finish after it has dried and will post them.

 

[spectrum]

Thanks everyone for all the great advice. I am going to do one of these hardwood decks using Benj Moore Hardwood formula and another using the Duck's Back hardwood formula. I will let you know next Spring which one of them has stood up the best. I have a third one to re-do for free this Fall as well, any ideas or requests for a 3rd product test and reveiw?

 

[Tonyg]

Thanks everyone for all the great advice. I am going to do one of these hardwood decks using Benj Moore Hardwood formula and another using the Duck's Back hardwood formula. I will let you know next Spring which one of them has stood up the best. I have a third one to re-do for free this Fall as well, any ideas or requests for a 3rd product test and reveiw?

Try fenners product - WoodZotic http://www.restore-a-deck.com/woodzotic.html. He has done many hardwood decks that cost more than my house.

 

[PinnacleResidential]

I'd use Sikkens. I know everyone has their own opinions on what works and what they have had trouble with but I can honestly tell you I have never had a failure in less than 2 years with it. The nice thing about a lot of the Sikkens products is that they don't form a film over the wood. Therefore, they won't peel. Sikkens SRD Translucent gives you 9 color options, Semi-Trans has about 40. SRD is great on exotics. I have used it on Teak, Mahagony, and clear cedar. Cetol Dek Finish will give you a gorgeous Satin finish and comes in about 8 colors. Again, it's great on exotics. Application can be time consuming because the manufacturer recommends brushing everything and I have found that it comes out better when you do. However, drying times are L - O - N - G ! Makes it nice because flash marks are no concern. SRD recommends one coat but I like to do two just because it gives a nicer finished appearance. DEK will take 3 coats to look "showcase" quality. The one other thing about Sikkens is that you really do have to wait a full 24 hours to re-coat. Finished product though is tough to beat.

 

[premierpainter]

Sikkens SRD no benny moore here on those decks.

 

[painttofish]

I have seen SRD decks fail here in 8 months. harsh climate.