[cubfan4real]

Hello everyone,

I've perused these forums in the past and decided to join to see if someone can help me with my dilemma. The situation:

I painted a hallway and part of a dining room with Behr interior eggshell Cherry Cobbler. I used Valspar grey primer, and 3 subsequent coats of the Cherry Cobbler. It looks fantastic but anytime someone touches/brushes up against the walls it leaves chalky smudge marks.

When I clean the marks with a damp sponge you can clearly see streaks in the finish, which has been detrimental to the overall appearance.

My question: I am thinking about applying a 4th coat of paint. Is there a better paint that will help reduce or minimize these marks?

I appreciate any advice or suggestions you may have.

Thanks...

 

[ProWallGuy]

To start off with, Behr paint is pretty crappy, IMHO.
What you are seeing is called burnishing, and its fairly common on dark colors applied with cheap paint.

Best fix I can think of is apply another coat of the same color in a better product. But, almost ALL paints will burnish when a dark color is applied in a high traffic area (hallway).

 

[cubfan4real]

To start off with, Behr paint is pretty crappy, IMHO.
What you are seeing is called burnishing, and its fairly common on dark colors applied with cheap paint.

Best fix I can think of is apply another coat of the same color in a better product. But, almost ALL paints will burnish when a dark color is applied in a high traffic area (hallway).

Thanks ProWall,

I had used Behr previously in a lighter color and was pleased with the results. Sadly, I've received the same comments from others about the quality of Behr. Live and learn.

Any suggestions on a better brand? Perhaps SW or Benjamin Moore? I've heard great things about Aura but have never used it before.

 

[chrisn]

Any suggestions on a better brand? Perhaps SW or Benjamin Moore? I've heard great things about Aura but have never used it before.




ANY other brand would be a step up,just go with the top of the line from one of them

 

[slickshift]

Yes, what you have is a burnishing problem
It is due to the crappy paint
Unfortunately a quality like "resistance to burnishing" is not in the marketing plan for Behr, so therefore not a priority in the paint

Another coat of the same paint will not help

Another coat of a premium quality paint will help tremendously (though darker colors can still have a little bit of the problem)
The premium lines from BM or SW should do it (regal, duration, etc...)

Due to the chemical structure of the Aura, I have found it impossible to get it to burnish at all (with repeated and hearty attempts)
Admittedly I haven't tried a deep red, but so far so good on any off the other colors
That would cure your problem I'm sure

 

[OraarO]

I have not tried Aura, but i think it would provide the 'non-burnishing' results you hope for.
The paints that use 'ceramic' in there name usually result in a better finish coat. They cost more, but are definately worth it for higher traffic/incident prone areas.
If you spend the bucks for a better product, you will be happy.
If you use another coat of Behr, nothing will change.

 

[painttofish]

Hello everyone

My question: I am thinking about applying a 4th coat of paint. Is there a better paint that will help reduce or minimize these marks?

YES!! The top of the line paints from BM, Pittsburgh or most other contractor based company's will all help reduce your problem. These products will also make your job easier, ie low spatter, better hide, even look. Experiment and find you will. Y

 

[cubfan4real]

Yes, what you have is a burnishing problem
It is due to the crappy paint
Unfortunately a quality like "resistance to burnishing" is not in the marketing plan for Behr, so therefore not a priority in the paint

Another coat of the same paint will not help

Another coat of a premium quality paint will help tremendously (though darker colors can still have a little bit of the problem)
The premium lines from BM or SW should do it (regal, duration, etc...)

Due to the chemical structure of the Aura, I have found it impossible to get it to burnish at all (with repeated and hearty attempts)
Admittedly I haven't tried a deep red, but so far so good on any off the other colors
That would cure your problem I'm sure

I'm a bit miffed that I chose to use Behr for this particular project... What a waste of 2 gallons.

Again, the color looks tremendous, but after 4 short weeks with a 6-year old daughter running around the house, the burnishing is unbearable to a self-proclaimed perfectionist.

I'm leaning towards a coat or 2 of either SW Duration, or BM Aura. Even though I've used lighter shades of Behr in the past with little to no problems, I've officially bought my last can of their paint.

By the way - this is a great forum. You guys are EXREMELY helpful.

 

[Rich]

cubfan

there are 2 kinds of painters
the kind that have Behr in their vocabulary and those who don't

you need to take Behr completely out of your vocabulary...it's a bad word in the world of professional painters (it's basically a DIY paint that is bought because of it's convenience and cheap price)

I recommend going to a local SW store. For about $25-$35/gallon you can get yourself some paint with great washability and durability. Even if you get Promar 200 eggshell, it will respond much better than Behr

You also don't need to use $40-$50/gallon paint to see great results

 

[cubfan4real]

cubfan

there are 2 kinds of painters
the kind that have Behr in their vocabulary and those who don't

you need to take Behr completely out of your vocabulary...it's a bad word in the world of professional painters (it's basically a DIY paint that is bought because of it's convenience and cheap price)

I recommend going to a local SW store. For about $25-$35/gallon you can get yourself some paint with great washability and durability. Even if you get Promar 200 eggshell, it will respond much better than Behr

You also don't need to use $40-$50/gallon paint to see great results

Amen Rich...

Believe it or not, I was a contractor for about 6 years and now I work as a project consultant for a design-build firm. Back in the day, I ONLY used Sherwin Williams and Glidden paints. In fact, Promar 200 was our paint of choice.

Go figure... I turned into a home owner and bought into the bogus hype from Home Depot.

Never again.

 

[timhag]

cubfan Even if you get Promar 200 eggshell, it will respond much better than Behr

I put Behr and promar 200 at the same level. I hate using promar 200 i feel its nasty stuff to work with...just my opinion.

 

[cubfan4real]

I put Behr and promar 200 at the same level. I hate using promar 200 i feel its nasty stuff to work with...just my opinion.

What are your thoughts on Duration?

Any personal experience?

 

[timhag]

What are your thoughts on Duration?

Any personal experience?

Oh, i love Duration....number 1 in my books. I push for Duration, i highly recommend it 100%.:thumbsup:

 

[timhag]

Valspar, in my eyes, is another good product. I wouldn't put it up there with duration but, its nice to work with.

 

[cubfan4real]

Oh, i love Duration....number 1 in my books. I push for Duration, i highly recommend it 100%.:thumbsup:

Thanks... That's the route I'm taking.

 

[DeanV]

If promar 200 is equal to BM super spec, I would not recommend either one. They are paints with cheap spec homes and apartment repaints in mind, IMHO.

 

[timhag]

Thanks... That's the route I'm taking.

You won't be sorry:thumbup:

 

[Rich]

I really haven't had any issues with Promar 200. I find it to be a good paint for the price. Duration is an amazing paint and superpaint is nice on walls as well.

But in comparison to Behr, Promar is a step up...I've used hundreds of gallons and always liked the result.

I've use Behr once or twice (not by choice) and wanted to stop the whole time...that has to account for something

 

[DeanV]

I have no found super spec eggshell to be very washable, is ProMar 200 washable? The application and final appearance is good though.

 

[Rich]

It doesn't boast about being washable, but it does claim to have a mar factor.

Keeping in line with the thread though...Duration is the way to go