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I recently hired a new guy, he's almost 60 years old. He works fine so far,
but I feal that he thinks he knows how to do everything. Not that he's a bad guy, he's just done things his way for years....And me at 39 years old couldn't possibly know how to do it better. Any suggestions?
 

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If he's doing a fine job let him be. There are many paths to the same destination. (Profound!)

If he's screwing up, grow a set and tell him your way or the highway!

I kind of opt for number three. If he really knows how to do it a diffrent way and it works, learn and grow.
 

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If he's doing a fine job let him be. There are many paths to the same destination. (Profound!)

If he's screwing up, grow a set and tell him your way or the highway!

I kind of opt for number three. If he really knows how to do it a diffrent way and it works, learn and grow.[


Good advice right thier:thumbsup: I like number three myself. I know I have learned a lot from the older guys and showed them respect, and they usually worked out fine.

When I was swinging a brush everyday, and someone said they had a better way to do something, it was real simple, lets race and prove it. I won some and lost some, and the ones I lost were usually to the older painters. And I would usually give a bonus of some sort for learning something.

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When I was swinging a brush everyday, and someone said they had a better way to do something, it was real simple, lets race and prove it. I won some and lost some, and the ones I lost were usually to the older painters. And I would usually give a bonus of some sort for learning something.

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dave mac[/quote]

Learned lots from old guys. Painting, drinking, cussing, good jokes, how to be a good man, and my all time favorite quote.

"A smart man learns from his mistakes....A wise man learns from a smart man's mistakes."

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If he can maintain quality, production, and expectations, let him do it his way. Stop micro-managing your business! If he can't meet those standards, show him a preferred way and expect him to follow.
 

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When I was swinging a brush...
-dave mac
Yah sometimes I sit back with a cold one and a cigar and try to remember those days when I was slinging a brush everyday. My mind is dark and dulled now by age and the weight of decision making, but I say even if their methods arent any good, hand your operation over to them and get yourself the heck out of the field. Dave, I always appreciate how your posts take me down the memory lane that I dont remember. In our younger days, we would have given each other quite a run for the money. :wheelchair:
 

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And me and Dave, we just sit and try to remember when we were slinging brushes. Once in a while some topic comes up that triggers a memory and breaks through the fog, but not that often. Who are these people that want checks from us again? Oh yeah, our emplo, er su.., well...painters. Life is good.
 

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Sometimes its not about learning something new. An older guy working for a much younger guy, I think that sometimes an older guy would have more of a problem with it the the younger guy hiring the older guy. Think about it.. the older guy knows that the younger guy is making money off of him...
 

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I recently hired a new guy, he's almost 60 years old. He works fine so far,
but I feal that he thinks he knows how to do everything. Not that he's a bad guy, he's just done things his way for years....And me at 39 years old couldn't possibly know how to do it better. Any suggestions?
If you truely don't know how to do things better then there is no problem; you learn from your new 60-year old painter . . . This type of employee has never worked well for me. I teach systems and specific techniques. Even though I grill guys during the interview process about "will you be able to take direction from someone 10 years your junior?" the experienced guys don't want to hear it once they get on the job. They want to do things their way . . . As a few employees have found, if you don't want to do it my way, you can take a hike!
 

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Sometimes its not about learning something new. An older guy working for a much younger guy, I think that sometimes an older guy would have more of a problem with it the the younger guy hiring the older guy. Think about it.. the older guy knows that the younger guy is making money off of him...

Heres an interesting new thread...Do we really "make money off" employees?
 

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Heres an interesting new thread...Do we really "make money off" employees?
Yes. "Making money" means producing more than one consumes, i.e., making a profit. Profit is the creation of wealth where it did not exist before.

A simple example is a farmer who grows more corn than he can consume. He can then trade his excess corn to the tanner who has more hides than he can use. Etc, etc.

In our case, we trade marketing, sales, organizational skills to our clients and our employees/ subs. We provide a service to both. I will address the employee part of this, since that was the question.

The employee could offer his services to the public. Why doesn't he? He doesn't want to market/ sell/ administrate/ etc. As an employer we do these things, plus more. We also train him, and do other things to add to the value that he provides.

As an example, his basic painting skills might be worth $15 an hour. But with our marketing, sales, admin, training, insurance, etc. his skills become worth $50 an hour. If it only costs us $40 an hour to provide all of this, we have made money off of him. But we earned it. It isn't a bad thing for either party.

Every economic transaction should be mutually beneficial. That means that everyone should gain something from it.

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As an example, his basic painting skills might be worth $15 an hour. But with our marketing, sales, admin, training, insurance, etc. his skills become worth $50 an hour. If it only costs us $40 an hour to provide all of this, we have made money off of him. But we earned it. It isn't a bad thing for either party.
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Its rare, but I am going to have to disagree. We dont make money off our employees. We make money off materials. We make money due to the risk we take in creating the opportunity for the employee to have a job. I know Dave Mac and I sit here and spoof that we are cagey old bucks, but I had a true old timer in the stone business tell me over the winter: "Scott, there are millions of guys out there willing to work, and thousands of us willing to let them."

The minute it turns into a "we make money off our employees" then it turns into who is working for who. Our employees make money from the business that we created, and we make money from the business we created. The business makes money from the consumer, if we have all done our jobs properly. The employees are part of that equation. The employees could all walk tomorrow and the business would still be there.
 

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If your not makin at least a little off your emplys then your doing something wrong, I mean even after work comp, and anything else you offer, you should be gettin at least 5$hr off their labor estimate, or do you really charge your clients the same you pay your emply? verm, your a pup, if you feel old now just wait till your grown up. after a couple carpal tunnel surg. and the knees go out, then you got braggin rights. Its my goal to stop slingin a brush too, but I dont see that happenin any time soon.
 
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